Live it Out

[00:00:02] Speaker A: I don't equate that to being okay, I gotta always be lecturing. No, it is a part of if it's every time that I'm rising, setting, as I'm doing this, they should be able to hear that the Lord is on my heart. The Lord is special to me. And so you're exactly right. It ain't like you gotta really try. It's just live it out. If you're truly seeking after the Lord, it's amazing how it will come out. That's what I enjoy the most. [00:00:33] Speaker B: Well, there's some jokes that a lot of people just don't get because they're not. [00:00:36] Speaker A: Oh, tell me about it. [00:00:37] Speaker B: Yeah. You don't hear the old, you know, like, what does that mean? Everybody's laughing, but I don't get it. Yeah. I said, yeah, I know that feeling. The Jolly Green Giant one that nobody really knows about. You know? I do. [00:00:53] Speaker C: But you've only had one. And this was fairly recently that it's been a month or two. Almost every week or not every week, but a lot of times you'll say, you'll get it on the way home. [00:01:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:04] Speaker B: And. [00:01:04] Speaker C: And there was one time that you said when I was like, I really don't get it. And then it did hit me. 30 seconds. [00:01:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:12] Speaker C: I'm trying to remember which one it was. So that's. [00:01:14] Speaker A: That's what's called in the biz, deep comedy. It's intellectual. You got to be intellectual to get deep. [00:01:23] Speaker C: Yeah. I wish I could remember which one it was because it hadn't been that long ago. It's probably been a month, month and a half that you tripped me up a little. [00:01:31] Speaker A: I think I remember saying, you'll get it on the way home, I promise you. And you're going to think it's hilarious. [00:01:36] Speaker C: Usually by the time you get that out, it has registered by the end. [00:01:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:39] Speaker C: The only time that you said it, that I was like, I don't get it. Yeah. It took me a. Yeah. And see, now, sometimes that will distract me for the first five minutes of the sermon, if you let me get careful with that. [00:01:49] Speaker A: Well, it's kind of like this. I've been told don't reference any other passages. And I'm like, well, I'm going to reference other. Say they have that mindset of, I'm going to go look at that. [00:01:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:01:58] Speaker A: And then they're stuck reading that. I've already moved on to 0.5. [00:02:02] Speaker C: I try. Usually I've got to get another notebook because I've got to the point now where even the back pages are about gone in my. I've got to get a new notebook. Yeah, yeah. I got to. I got to get. Because I've got two different notebooks are filled up, but hold on to them. [00:02:19] Speaker A: You need to find a way to label them so that you can. [00:02:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:02:22] Speaker A: Because I do know that I advise folks all the time, if you. If you're a note taker or you have some kind of journaling or something, go back and read those journals. I. I advise people, man, journaling is a great spiritual exercise because you're one. You're what God is showing me today, what I'm wrestling with. Go back five years later and you'll say, oh, man, I forgot he did that. And so I. Man, that's a great, great thing to do. [00:02:48] Speaker C: Well, there's a lot of different things that I've done in the past that I need to get back into doing. When a couple years ago, every single sermon was front and back, front and back. I was writing down everything, everything. And it got to a point where it was like, okay, a lot of this stuff are, you know, commentary. That's in the Bible. [00:03:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Right. [00:03:07] Speaker C: So it's not like this word means this. [00:03:09] Speaker A: This word. I'm not giving you anything that's. Yeah, yeah. [00:03:11] Speaker C: But then there's other things that. And another thing that I've been listening. [00:03:15] Speaker A: For the points, not just the information. Yeah. [00:03:17] Speaker C: So what I write down has kind of evolved, I guess, over a little while, but there have been times that I'm. I'll kind of be debating, like, do I want to write that down or not? And I'll just get kind of like the. The nudge, I suppose, to write it down. Sometimes I was like. But I know that that's not something necessarily. That was like a eureka thing to me. It was just a good point, a fundamental thing. [00:03:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:36] Speaker C: But one thing that I've remembered, I guess, lately is that even the other day, I jotted something down in church. There were people sitting around me there. You know, you never know who's watching when you're writing these notes down. It might not. They might not have. It might not have registered with them. They say, you've taken note. [00:03:51] Speaker A: He must have said something. Something. [00:03:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:53] Speaker C: What was that? [00:03:54] Speaker A: Yeah. Heavy. [00:03:55] Speaker C: And also remembering the kids. You know, my kids will come across my notes once in a while, and that's not, you know. So you just never necessarily know what. What the purpose is. And God tells you to take that note down. But I try to. The other thing I Need to do a better job of. Is keeping a prayer journal because that's a good thing. [00:04:11] Speaker A: Yeah. I. [00:04:12] Speaker C: It's so easy to lose track of all the different things there are to pray for. [00:04:16] Speaker A: What you're praying for and what you ask. Yep. [00:04:19] Speaker C: People that you've forgotten about, you know that you were praying for a month ago and you've just kind of forgotten. You still need to be praying for that person. There's just. If I need to just keep an ongoing list of things and that's a. [00:04:31] Speaker A: Good thing to do and that way you can go back and see how God answered. There's a lot of times we may. We may have prayed it once or twice and God answered it. We just didn't. We didn't pay attention. [00:04:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:04:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:42] Speaker C: That. And thinking of remembering the other people to pray for and then also keeping a list of things to be grateful for. It's. You really can't. You talked about gratitude Sunday night at the Friends Giving and that's been something I've been trying to really remember lately. And it's. You. You can't possibly write that. You could fill up this room with notebook things to be thankful for and not touch. You know, all of them. But it is good to just have a. A quick reference list of everything that you can every time you think of something new right now. Yeah, I want to do it. [00:05:18] Speaker A: I like that. And it's like we just did. We had a luncheon with the senior adults. Why Kenny and I are dressed as twins. The outfits. [00:05:26] Speaker C: And I am the absolute opposite state. [00:05:29] Speaker A: Stay tuned. I'm sure there's going to be some pictures on Facebook that we're going to be looking twin twins on some other things too. They had us wearing some pants that. But anyway. [00:05:38] Speaker B: And I matched. [00:05:41] Speaker A: One of the things that I talked about. I did a little devotion was, you know, I. I spent the whole time talking about just spiritual blessings, man. You get past them, that's enough that you could praise the Lord for eternity. Then. Then you have the material blessings. Your. Your health. I mean, there are so many things. I mean, I was just sitting here thinking about, you know what? I'm thankful I got these shoes on my feet because, man, I hate to go barefooted with my. With my feet that be so painful. But I'm so thankful I got shoes. I'm thankful I've got. I mean, God's just taking care of me for 55 years in such a. I mean, fantastic fashion that just. Just the simple things. And I know it seems crazy. Oh, man, you're going to thank him for that. Yeah, I'm gonna thank him for that. Because he's the giver of all good gifts. [00:06:28] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, for the 100th time, welcome to the other one. I told you I was afraid this was going to sneak up on me. But this is the hundredth, so I. We haven't officially released the 99th yet, but it is the hundredth and with some of the skipped weeks and stuff, I was afraid to lose count. And I was looking at, listen, I was like, we got 98, but I'm working on 99. That makes this 100. [00:06:50] Speaker A: All right, so does this. Is this going to come out like Thanksgiving week or is this will probably. [00:06:54] Speaker C: Come out about a week from now, which is Thanksgiving week, right? [00:06:56] Speaker A: Yeah, 99 coming out like 99 is. [00:07:00] Speaker C: Coming out as soon as I get home in public. And then it's edited. [00:07:03] Speaker A: So then 100 will be next week. [00:07:04] Speaker C: And 100 will be next week. [00:07:05] Speaker A: Well, happy Thanksgiving. In the fitting is on the Thanksgiving. I'm thankful for it. Yeah, I have. I have a great time with you guys. We ought to do a best of yes. [00:07:17] Speaker B: Yeah, that would be great. [00:07:18] Speaker C: We could do a best of Kenny. [00:07:20] Speaker B: Yes. [00:07:21] Speaker C: And we could. [00:07:21] Speaker A: That's what I'm thinking. If you just had the best paper wrestling. [00:07:26] Speaker C: The best. [00:07:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:33] Speaker C: The best of Kenny's. 99% certainty. [00:07:35] Speaker A: Yeah, everything. [00:07:36] Speaker C: He's 99% or 95, sometimes 99.9. It just depends. [00:07:41] Speaker B: Drop some. Yeah. [00:07:42] Speaker C: His level of confidence is going down. [00:07:45] Speaker A: I love you. [00:07:46] Speaker C: I love Hundreds. This is 97 or so more than I thought we'd do. [00:07:49] Speaker A: Yeah, well, but I'm telling you, I'm. I'm absolutely. I'm thanking the Lord for it because that is man, 100 shows. [00:07:56] Speaker B: We might have some new listeners. [00:07:59] Speaker C: Is that just hypothetical you have? [00:08:03] Speaker A: No, I think there's several folks that are. I don't know what the numbers actually are now, but some of them will listen every now and then. [00:08:11] Speaker C: I know over the holidays a lot of times we get a little bit behind on recording new stuff. The next time we end up having a couple week break, I really need to go through and clip out because one thing I'm starting to learn is that not too many people on any subject sit down and listen to people talk for an hour. [00:08:25] Speaker A: That's right, yes. [00:08:26] Speaker C: So a lot of times what I'll do is, you know, we'll take something and then we'll clip it down to, you know, four or five, 10 minute thing. Those get a lot more traction. A lot more. Not that it's not fun to sit here and shoot the bull and all. [00:08:37] Speaker B: This kind of stuff. Yeah. [00:08:40] Speaker C: But a lot of times those 5 to 10 minute clips are probably. [00:08:44] Speaker A: We're seeing that as well in on our Facebook live and our YouTube when we've got a software now. And I don't know if it's the same one you. That we're using, but we've got one that he runs the whole sermon through and it's got the artificial intelligence or whatever to analyze and say, this was a good point. This was a good point. And all he has to do is look at it and say, hmm, I'm gonna bump it up a little bit. Or maybe cut it here and there it is. I mean, it does it for him almost. I mean, it. I don't know how it does that on the website now. [00:09:15] Speaker B: Or is that. [00:09:15] Speaker A: Yeah. What you see on Facebook, you got. [00:09:18] Speaker B: The long one, which is the. Everything you said. Then you got a short one. Yeah. [00:09:23] Speaker A: Like there'd be little commercials and snippets. [00:09:26] Speaker B: Okay. [00:09:27] Speaker C: 60 seconds. [00:09:28] Speaker A: Yeah. Or a minute or two. And it'll even have the. They put the words down at the bottom, you know, because we don't do that. It does it automatically. And I don't know if it just picks out things that I say or maybe the way I say it, or it says, hey, he was getting emotional here. Or this. This sounded good. I don't know how it does it, but it does pretty good. And I think. I think Keaton said there's only been one time. Because Keaton will make a note in the sermon of. Okay, 10 minutes, 55 seconds in. Good point to put out there. [00:09:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:09:57] Speaker A: So it's. [00:09:59] Speaker C: You got a little bit going Sunday. And I think this was a sidetrack. You weren't planning. [00:10:03] Speaker A: I wasn't, No. I had no. [00:10:05] Speaker C: When you got into the tie. [00:10:07] Speaker A: Not get into that. [00:10:08] Speaker C: You talked about, you know, if I want to wear a tie, if I don't want to wear a tie, some people wouldn't like it. And. And then that turned into. It was almost a chorus of Amens ringing on repeat. [00:10:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:17] Speaker C: Going. [00:10:17] Speaker A: It was. Well. And I was not planning on doing that. Nor was that a. Nor was that directed because nobody really gives me much grief. I just know that for some people that is a hang up. And I was just. That's the easiest one to. To hit at, you know, because I've just always wanted to. But then again, the. You have the folks that are more of the contemporary that would be like, well, he wears a tie. He Must be. [00:10:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:10:46] Speaker A: And so part of me wants to say, wait a second. Y' all are just as bad as the ones that are the ones saying, I got to wear one. Because you're saying there's no way he can be, you know, relatable or know how to do this because he's wearing a tie. And I'm like, what's that got to do with it? And I don't know. It's just. Maybe it's just me. [00:11:03] Speaker C: I think my favorite part of that entire rant, though, was at the end of it when you said, it ain't about me. Quit worrying about Meek. I just. I thought that was a really good. Very obvious point that's easy to miss, is that we're not here about. We shouldn't be up here dissecting whether or not the preacher should wear a tie or not. This is not about the preacher. I just thought that was a really. [00:11:21] Speaker A: Good point, I think. And what I was just trying to prove is, look, we're not that much different than the Pharisees of. We get caught up in our own traditions, and this is the way it always ought to be. And that's what we miss. And that's exactly what they were doing. Here's a man that's been healed. Here's a man who's been healed 38 years he hasn't walked. 38 years he's been sick. 38 years he's longed to walk. And now he's walking. And now we're worried about, oh, you're doing this on the wrong day. And again, sometimes I wonder, Jesus, you couldn't have scheduled that? Meet me back here tomorrow at 11. [00:11:55] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:56] Speaker A: And none of this. But it ain't about what's right and wrong on the Sabbath. What. What it's about is he is. He's Lord of overall. And why did he give us the sabbath? Now, Matthew 12 helps us out in that regard to some degree. [00:12:10] Speaker C: One of the. I don't remember if this was from your sermon or. Last weekend I was up mom and Dad's, and Saturday everybody left. The older kids with Mama shopping, and Christian went hunting with dad. So I was sitting around the house by myself all day. Got a lot of time to catch up on Scripture and get caught up on a few different things that I've been trying to. I'm kind of getting a little add in my Bible time. I'm. I'm in Romans, I'm in John, I'm in Ecclesiastes. I'm reading a little bit in a Lot of different places right now. So I got caught up in John Saturday. So I don't know if this was from your sermon or from the commentary in my Bible, but I never really thought a ton about Jesus did a lot on the Sabbath. And I just kind of always thought maybe it was, you know, not to think anything Jesus did was random. But I never really thought about the point behind that. But it wasn't just a coincidence. He was going. He was taking the Pharisees to task on one of their big hot button issues. And the thing was, it never really defined what work was on the Sabbath. It said, you can't. You don't work on the Sabbath. But they had taken it to mean, you can't do this, you can't do this, you can't do this. [00:13:13] Speaker A: A lot of that they put onto. [00:13:16] Speaker C: It, and he was really challenging their legalism very intentionally, very deliberately to say and to point out not only that what you're doing here isn't helping anything, but you're hurting. [00:13:28] Speaker A: You're adding to pushing people away from it, wanting to know who God is. And the thing of it is, oftentimes those, like I said Sunday, those prohibitions or those addendums, I hate to call them that, but those things that the leaders had added on really want something to try to prevent you. It was ways that they could get around to make it so that. I mean, like I said, you couldn't swear by the door of the temple, but you could swear by the door handle. [00:13:54] Speaker C: Yeah, you made that point. [00:13:55] Speaker A: That was one thing. That was a difference. I mean, and that's the way they had it. Now. Some of them were set up so that, okay, you can't carry your mat or your bed on a Sunday. Some, I mean, there were some, as far as how far you could walk. And what they would do is they would run strings from one building to the other, and that would be there for. To clarify it as the same house. I mean, it was dumb stuff like that that they really jumped. That's why Jesus said, you strain at a gnat and you swallow a camel. [00:14:22] Speaker C: Are there records of these in. Because I've heard you reference exactly how. [00:14:26] Speaker A: Many comedians were there between the Talmud and some of the other places. Yeah, you can. You can find many of these, but not in Scripture. You're not going to find all 613 commands into Scripture or commands from God. That's enough. [00:14:37] Speaker C: Okay. Yeah, but those are things. [00:14:39] Speaker A: Those are 613. Then they added so many more, 39 of which just dealt with the Sabbath. [00:14:45] Speaker C: But none of those 39 or any of the others that they added are recorded anywhere in scripture. [00:14:50] Speaker A: That's what they added. Such as, you know, can't pick because you're exactly right. It is more now as you go through and you look at some of the things and you dig deep as you read through Leviticus, numbers, Deuteronomy, but it never spells out anything quite like that. [00:15:05] Speaker C: Yeah, well, where do you get that. [00:15:06] Speaker B: Your information on that? [00:15:08] Speaker A: Well, the Talmud, there's commentaries on it. I mean people have done all kinds of research. [00:15:13] Speaker B: What about the Dead Sea Scrolls? Didn't they have some of the rules? [00:15:17] Speaker A: And I mean it would have had a few of them. Yeah. I mean there was the writings of the Essenes there too. [00:15:22] Speaker B: Yes, that's what I'm saying. [00:15:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:24] Speaker B: Well I'm here what I hear about. Well that's they had this rule and this rule and this rule but we never really see it in the Bible or we don't know where that information is coming. I just want to know. [00:15:34] Speaker A: It's more of like I said, I mean it's just man made traditions that they added to from the time of coming back to, from the exile to the day of Jesus. [00:15:44] Speaker B: Man. A lot of times what I guess what I'm getting at, sometimes people in the pulpit might make it up or that they don't know that it's a fact. [00:15:52] Speaker A: No. [00:15:52] Speaker B: Where they, where, where do they find that information? That's what I'm just getting at. So have you read those? [00:15:59] Speaker A: Not all of them. I've read the ones like I said. I mean as I study and I read, you find that oh this, this, this Pharisees or this rabbi says this and this rabbi defines it as that. So there's all kinds of stuff out there you can find. [00:16:12] Speaker B: But is there an actual book that has the rule? [00:16:14] Speaker A: I mean if you go and look at the Talmud there would be when I was read that, oh, the Talmud came much later, we're talking again between the exile and New Testament. [00:16:23] Speaker B: That's what I'm at. Well, I mean anything that I'm looking. [00:16:27] Speaker A: And some of it might even it was pre exile of the Jews were putting this together. But that's, that's the majority of it was. [00:16:34] Speaker B: And where did they find that? [00:16:36] Speaker A: It's around. They still have it. [00:16:38] Speaker B: Okay, man, I'm not questioning. I just wanted my. [00:16:42] Speaker A: No, I get it. No, they still have that. [00:16:45] Speaker B: We hear that church tradition says that Peter was crucified upside down. [00:16:50] Speaker C: Right. [00:16:52] Speaker B: Well where you find that at that point? You know that's that's what I'm trying to get. Who actually. [00:16:56] Speaker A: Right where? Well, no, this is, this is written talent. This is that. Well, and you know, the thing of it is there's probably a source somewhere out there. [00:17:03] Speaker B: That's what I'm asking. Because I know that there's a lot of church information, traditional information, and a lot of manuscripts of the. Probably in different. This in different languages of the language that day that people haven't even looked at. I was just wondering, that's all. [00:17:26] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:17:26] Speaker A: And a lot of times, I mean, you've got like, you got books like the Fox's Book of Martyrs, which I've often wondered, okay, is this 100% legit of how folks die? And it could be, I mean, but then again that goes back to how can you trust anything you read other than one particular thing? And what I always like to say is, well, a lot of times if it's from antiquity, it's been tested through the ages, especially if it deals with the scriptures or it deals such as Pilgrim's Progress. Well, that's just a non fiction word. But man, that is a book that has stood the test of time. [00:18:03] Speaker C: I hesitate to tell this story because I'm afraid it's going to sound prideful. And it might be prideful. I don't know, maybe that's why I don't want to tell it because maybe deep down it is prideful. But it was funny and it was just ironic, I guess. Gabe loves to play Bible quiz with me now. He's always learning all these things. [00:18:19] Speaker A: Well, he's, yeah, he's a Bible scholar at Christian school. So I know my man is learning some information. [00:18:25] Speaker C: So he likes to ask me, you know, a little quick. He got me on one the other. [00:18:28] Speaker A: Day that who is. [00:18:29] Speaker C: Yeah, and I should have known this one. He asked me who, who the friend was that God sent David. And I knew that one, but I couldn't think of the name as far as Jonathan talking about. And I just, I couldn't. I drew a blast like, ah, it starts with J. I should know this, I should know this. But Sunday he. I blew his little mind and frankly blew mine in the process. And I want to say, when I say I don't want this to sound prideful and if this was either God or blind luck, I'm not claiming to be this good with it, but I got lucky on this one. He said, I got a Bible question for you. I said, what? He said, do you know the shortest verse in the Bible? I said, yeah, Jesus Whipped or he wept. I don't know. Jesus. And he said, right. But he. What's it? What was I talking about? [00:19:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:10] Speaker C: I was like. It was when Lazarus died. And I didn't go into exactly what it was. He said, no. [00:19:14] Speaker B: Yeah, but what? [00:19:15] Speaker C: Like, do you know, like, the book, the chapter? I was like, oh, I didn't know you were going that level with me. I said, so I thought about it a little bit. I said, well, it's either John Luke, but I'm pretty sure it's John because I'm pretty sure John is the only one that has that story in it. [00:19:33] Speaker A: Yep. [00:19:34] Speaker C: And he said, and his eyes got pretty good. Yeah, you're right about that. I said. He said, what's the chapter? I'm like, man, you gonna make me go all the way down to the. [00:19:41] Speaker A: Come on now. [00:19:41] Speaker C: I said, well. I said, look, I know that John. I know that Lazarus is right at the end before Passover week. [00:19:48] Speaker A: You're right. [00:19:49] Speaker C: I know that John hits the brakes really hard about 10 to chapter 10 to 12. Somewhere in that range is when that happens. I know John 10:10 has. [00:19:59] Speaker A: I'm the good shepherd came to give life more abundantly. [00:20:03] Speaker C: So it came after that, but I'm pretty sure it was before 12. I said, I'm gonna say chapter 11. [00:20:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:07] Speaker C: And he's like. I mean, his eyes at this point are huge. He said, what's the verse? I said, I'm not going to get the exact verse. I say, it's in the 30s somewhere. He said, seriously? Said, it's verse 35. And he was blown away. I was like, it was pure luck. I clearly didn't know it that well, but I was surprised, I guess, that I could have even done. [00:20:26] Speaker A: I think a lot of it is once you know the. The flow of John and, you know, this comes after this and that. Okay. Once he hits Passover in that last week, the stories are over for the most part. It's now his teachings and what he's doing for his disciples to get them ready. So it really comes together. I know sometimes it's because I've memorized, like, certain verses at certain places that I know. All right, John 11:25, I'm the resurrection and life, right? He who believes in me will even though he perish, yet will he live. All right, So I know that has to do with Lazarus. So if we're going to talk Lazarus, well, I know that's John 11. So you kind of. And so you can almost get it where you can say, well, I know it's about the 11th chapter. But to say, yeah, I know it's in the 30s, too, that's pretty good. [00:21:12] Speaker C: And that was just a throwing darts. Because I was like, well, most books I know, it doesn't start. It wouldn't have been the beginning of that story. It would have been a bit into it. And most books or most chapters don't have more than about 40 or 50 verses. So I'm going to say probably it was just throwing darts. But it was interesting to me, though, that, I mean, there's some staples you can certainly memorize. You know, Proverbs 3, Philippians 4. [00:21:31] Speaker A: Right. [00:21:32] Speaker C: I mean, you got some that you definitely know. But as far as you know, I've always seen, especially the two of you, Bible quiz each other back and forth. And it's like, how do they know all these different. But as you read the same as you read them over and over, you do start to. To see. You might be surprised at how quickly you can start to. It is. [00:21:52] Speaker A: It's amazing how it stick with you. And the more and again, the more that you're reading it, the better it's going to help. And that's where, you know, I've always told people a couple of things you can do. One is read a certain number of verses a day. All right, that's hard. That requires a lot of discipline. But I have found one of the good ways to do it is, like I said, take the book of Philippians, read Chapter one in the morning when you wake up. We're not talking 25, 30 verses, if that. It's more than that, because John 1, Philippians 1, 21's in there. So it's more like 28 verses, give or take. Then the next day just. Or that's breakfast, lunch, read Philippians 2, which isn't very long. Then at supper, read Philippians 3, next morning, wake up 4, then start back over, and by the end of the month, you've read the book 10, 12 times. And you'll be amazed at how much you'll be able to remember. Oh, yeah. Philippians 1:6. He who began a good work in you is faithful to complete it to the day of Christ Jesus. I mean, it really will stick with you. [00:22:52] Speaker B: No, I just think the Bible in itself, God's word, just sticks within. I. I just know, including myself, when everything else fails you, you always remember the Scriptures. Yeah, that's like the last thing. It's been my experience with people that's the last, you know, Alzheimer's or something like that. That's the last thing that seems to. [00:23:16] Speaker A: Go, yeah, or they can even remember quoting or they can still. Somebody quoted. Yeah. [00:23:23] Speaker B: And it's happened to me before. That was the last thing that my mind was completely out of, out of whack. I did remember the scriptures, but that I remembered on. Based on that I, for some reason, and I don't know, this is not being prideful anyway, but for some reason I enjoyed. Because I, I enjoyed reading and memorizing scripture when I was young, but I wasn't forced to do that. I actually, my parents did not go to church. For some reason I did and I don't know why. Well, I guess I did know why now because of mini Juanas. But trying to teach on the importance of memorizing scripture. When you, when you get old, memorize now because when you get older, older, it won't depart from you. And so I feel like, well, that's kind of one of my callings, I. [00:24:24] Speaker A: Suppose, and hide it in your heart that you might not sin against God. There's so many benefits to starting it out early as you can because let's just face facts. And I know I hear people say, oh, I'm just too old, I can't remember all that. Yeah, you can, you can. It's just easier when you're younger. Yeah, your brain's got a little bit more firing power. [00:24:44] Speaker B: It's more flexible. Yeah, I'm sure it is because you know, the older you get, the harder. [00:24:51] Speaker A: You get or, or more hard headed. That's what phrase comes from. [00:24:56] Speaker B: Yeah. So. But I just remember you're more. [00:25:00] Speaker C: You'Re. [00:25:01] Speaker B: You have a tender heart. More tender heart when you're younger. I mean the statistics says that most people come to know Christ now. There are a lot of people that come to know Christ again in the 40s, 50s, 60s. [00:25:15] Speaker A: Right. [00:25:16] Speaker B: But they made their first commitment before 14. By 14. [00:25:19] Speaker A: Oh yeah. [00:25:20] Speaker B: I don't know how correct that is. [00:25:23] Speaker A: No, that number's starting to drop too. [00:25:25] Speaker B: And I don't know why, but I just know in my heart and the people that I've seen that come back to Christ, they had a foundation. [00:25:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:25:33] Speaker B: They might have lived their whole life outside of it, but eventually they made their way back. [00:25:38] Speaker C: Yeah, that's been a verse that's been on my mind a little bit here lately. Is writing scripture on your heart. And I've noticed a little, my, the kids we talk about. There's certainly a lot of times that they'll come to me with questions and sometimes we'll talk about things after Church. But there's a lot of what they're learning. I mean, they're learning in school, they're learning in different places. The other day I was riding. We were riding in the car, I think one of mom and dad's are coming to church or something. And I can't remember, you know, what the song was, but it was one. I didn't even know the kids had ever really paid attention to this song when it played. And I'm riding down the road and I can hear Christian and Reese in the back seat singing along word for word with it. And I was just like blown away by that. I was like, that's so cool. Because whether we're talking about and having like a real serious sit down conversation five times a day or not, they're. They're getting exposure to it. It's running in the background and you can constantly see it showing up in the way they are. Christian specifically. We had a conversation the other night where he. I was watching a show about Jesus and I guess it was depicting Jesus on the cross, something like that. And he was asking me questions about it. And he's like, why did he have to die? And I explained, you know, probably the first time I had really explained to him the gospel, so to speak. He knows about Jesus and he knows good. But as far as sitting down and really saying, well, here's the deal with it. And you know, he. He died for our sins and we. But you have to accept that in order. Well, he asked. I can't remember how he worded it, but it was like, so to go to heaven you have to accept Jesus. And I said, yeah, what does that mean? Well, it means you have to. Look, you love Jesus and you thank him for what he did for you, and then you want to live your life for him out of, you know, because you're so thankful that he died for your. For your sins. Well, the next morning on the way to church, he said something. I can't remember what it was, but he said, do you know why I did that, dad? Or why, why I wanted. I think he was. Maybe we'd gone to Sunday school. He's like, you know, I like going to Sunday school. I said, why? He said, because that's how I showed Jesus that I love him. And I joked to the other kids, I said, he just learned about salvation last night, that heaven's not a free ticket. So he's taking that a little more seriously. [00:27:44] Speaker A: Yeah. But hey, that. I still think that's great, man. [00:27:49] Speaker C: It's just one of those things that as you. I'm very grateful with the way God has just worked things out in my life to where that it. It's just a part of their everyday pattern. I mean, it's not something we go out of the way to. You know, I don't intentionally do this or do that to. To show the kids about Jesus, but if you're hanging out in my coattail, you're going to find out about it somehow or another, you know. [00:28:12] Speaker A: And that's Deuteronomy 6. Deuteronomy 6. 4. Hear, O Israel, the Lord your God is one. And this is what God wants to the parents to be. He says, teach these as you come in, as you go out, as you sit down, as you get up, as you rise in the morning, as you lay down at night. So to me, that doesn't. I don't equate that to being okay, I gotta always be lecturing. No, it is a part of if it's every time that I'm rising setting as I'm doing this, they should be able to hear that the Lord is on my heart. The Lord is special to me. And so you're exactly right. It ain't like you gotta really try. It's just live it out. And it's amazing that if you're truly seeking after the Lord, it's amazing how it will come out. Whether you're talking about, you know, seeking the Lord of. About something that happens. I mean, that's what I enjoy the most, is kind of like that Saturday night Nate and his girlfriend, we went out to eat Thanksgiving because he's going out to California with her for Thanksgiving. [00:29:15] Speaker B: Well, she's from California. [00:29:17] Speaker A: Well, she's technically, I guess she's from California. Really? She's from New Zealand? [00:29:21] Speaker B: That's right. That's what I thought, actually. That's. [00:29:23] Speaker A: So they moved from California to New Zealand to New. She came to chapel. Hillary, her sister, I think is at school in Harvard or Yale or somewhere like that. And their little brother, I mean, it's pretty. Pretty talented family. So anyway, he's going out to. So we had Thanksgiving with them. And it was amazing how much that the Lord was brought up and we talked about and it wasn't because of anything in particular. It was just that's who we are and that's how. If you're going to ask me a question or they're really debating on what's going to happen in life for them. Jasmine's getting ready to go to New Zealand. Nate's going to stay Here. And, you know, he's not sure what's going to happen as far as, you know, three years from now, what's going to happen, so. [00:30:10] Speaker B: But is she coming back or she just go. [00:30:11] Speaker A: No, she's going to law school. She's going to law school in New Zealand and she's actually going to practice law there to help some. She's got a calling to help the indigenous people there. [00:30:22] Speaker B: And Daniel family, who. Who is Daniel dating? [00:30:25] Speaker A: Daniel dates a young lady that. She's with the Peace Corps and she's in Macedonia. So I. I don't know why they falling for these balls somewhere. Kind of like. Yeah, I'm kind of like, can't y', all, you know, find somebody local? [00:30:40] Speaker B: It must be Duncan. [00:30:41] Speaker A: It must be. [00:30:43] Speaker B: That's what I was gonna ask you. [00:30:44] Speaker A: There ain't nobody around here we want. [00:30:46] Speaker B: What does she think about Duncan? [00:30:49] Speaker A: Okay, but I. So. But it's amazing when you're just. In that context, we're talking about the Lord and the Lord's will be done, and we're going to trust that God knows exactly what he's doing, because they don't. They don't know how it's going to work out. [00:31:02] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, we've talked about this a little bit here and there, too. I mean, when you talk about witnessing and stuff. I mean, I've never been particularly comfortable or wanted to go out of my way and just go strike up a conversation with a stranger and open up with the, you know, have you heard the good news or whatever? Hand it out. [00:31:20] Speaker B: Right. Yeah. [00:31:20] Speaker C: That's what I call. Yeah. Cold calling for Jesus. But it's funny where if you just live your life honestly. [00:31:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:27] Speaker C: It's gonna come up. [00:31:28] Speaker A: Documenties come up. [00:31:29] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, it's like I remember telling you the story a few weeks ago, being. Just being a solace in golf balls, and I'm wearing my 5 and 2 shirt or whatever. [00:31:35] Speaker A: What's that? [00:31:36] Speaker C: And the lady that works at the bar there, a lot comes over. We start talking about it and. Never really talked to her about faith before, but we had a. I mean, I spent most of my hour that day talking to her about it. It was just really cool to have that conversation. You just never know when you're. Sometimes it's coming across other believers that you didn't know were believers, and you get someone you can share your faith with, and then sometimes there's people that may not be lost. That's right. So it's, you know, somebody. We were talking about something the other day. And I brought up something about. I've been doing a lot with my. Trying to loosen my hips up a lot. And there's a lot of things that I can do during the day. Just sitting here. [00:32:12] Speaker A: Right. [00:32:13] Speaker C: Just sitting in better posture and stuff. And I was joking around with somebody that saw the other day. I said, yeah, all the ladies at Bible study thought I was weird the other day, the way I was crossing my legs, all these funny different ways. But, you know, it's not something you have to be forceful about, but you just be honest about what you're. You know, be open and be yourself about stuff. [00:32:29] Speaker A: Be yourself. And if yourself is a disciple. It happens. Yeah. [00:32:33] Speaker C: People are going to. They, they hopefully should be able to identify your faith from your actions. [00:32:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:40] Speaker C: And then when they, when opportunities come up to get into deeper conversations, then great. [00:32:45] Speaker A: But, but, but use words as well, right? Yeah. I mean, both witness and I believe both carries as much weight. But faith comes by hearing. [00:32:54] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:32:54] Speaker A: Hearing by the word of God, of course. But yeah, if I see you doing good works, I don't know that you're not some, you know, Buddhist trying to do good works either. So. Yeah. You still need to share. [00:33:07] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:08] Speaker A: Open the mouth and spit it out. [00:33:12] Speaker C: Sunday, we in children's church, the, the theme verse or the big picture theme or whatever right now is what is God like? God is holy, God good, God is loving. And we were talking about that a little bit and how important it is to remember all three of those. I guess, because I agree it's easy to remember that he's holy. You know, I could kind of equate holy to powerful. That's not exactly. [00:33:34] Speaker A: Well, we might like to God's love. [00:33:35] Speaker C: Right. Or we could love. We could like that. He's. He's good. But two out of those three by themselves don't work very well. If God's very powerful and very good, but he doesn't care anything about us, then that's not. Not tell us much. [00:33:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:49] Speaker C: If he's very good and very loving, but he's not holy and doesn't have that power, then he becomes tolerant. That's right. And if he's, you know, loving and powerful but not necessarily good, I don't know what that adds up to. But knowing all three of those equally. [00:34:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:05] Speaker A: And I think, I think that's a great point. I really do. Because you really got to have all three. [00:34:09] Speaker C: You do. And I kind of. [00:34:11] Speaker A: Because if you just take, Take them by themselves, it might not be as good. [00:34:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:34:15] Speaker A: I mean, being a holy God That. That leaves me in a world of hurt, because I need. I need forgiveness. Because if I got to face a holy and vengeful gun, I am out. But now, knowing he's holy and loving. Oh, now. Now I may have a chance. And that he's good, that he sent Christ. So. Yeah. Taking them as if he's just good, then we're just full brats. [00:34:39] Speaker C: That's right. [00:34:39] Speaker A: So, yeah, you. You can see where just taking one of them. Not. Not best. He needs to be all three. That's why he's, you know, perfection. He's perfect. [00:34:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:34:50] Speaker B: Well said. [00:34:54] Speaker C: Can he still improve? I'm gonna get him a stamp. [00:34:56] Speaker A: Yeah, Ju. [00:35:01] Speaker B: No, I just. I noticed you wanted my approvals. [00:35:04] Speaker A: No, I just wanted you to jump in. [00:35:05] Speaker C: Kenny, to chime in here, to just kind of. [00:35:07] Speaker A: Yeah, I think. I think it was the pan. I think it was the pancakes. We had had a pancake lunch, and he was feeling. Yes. Between that and the pancakes, I'm. I'm. I'm a little. Little lethargic this afternoon. That and it's about 108 degrees wearing flound. [00:35:23] Speaker C: Yes, it is. [00:35:25] Speaker B: And a T shirt. [00:35:26] Speaker A: You got double. You got double. [00:35:28] Speaker B: I couldn't button it all the way up, so I had to wear a T shirt. I wanted it. I wanted to be deep, more decent. Yeah, that's good. [00:35:39] Speaker C: I think that's one of the things, though, that I've been. I'm trying to. To remember. We talked about balance a lot last week. That was a theme of our. The episode last week with balance. [00:35:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:47] Speaker C: And to me, I tend to maybe go a little bit too far. I'll focus on his holiness, but forget his love. [00:35:53] Speaker A: Right. [00:35:53] Speaker C: Focus on his love and forget his holiness. Or think about his holiness and his love and forget his goodness. That's his kindness and his. And it's just. It's. It's important to remember all three. I think that's something that I'm trying. [00:36:04] Speaker A: No, I think that is so key. Right. Because I think that's what the world tries to do, you know? Oh, the God of the Old Testament's number wrath. Well, that's. He's a holy guy, you know, Then. Then you got folks who say, well, God is love, so we got to be accepting of everything. Well, no, you just throw out his holiness. So, again, there is that balance. And I think it goes to what, John 1, verse 16, verse 14, 15, and 16. When it talks about, in him was grace and truth. The law came and gave us truth. We need grace and truth. And in Christ we find both, and we find that perfect balance. You see it at the woman in the. Well, you see it with the John 8, the woman caught in adultery. He's both. Truth. Yes, but there's grace. [00:36:53] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, I thought we put balance to rest last week, but. [00:36:57] Speaker A: No, it seems to always come back almost, I think. [00:37:01] Speaker B: But you had. You did make a good point last year. Last. Last week. Excuse me. That's true. Well, the Bible says we can't be balanced on. Right. You know, this is wrong. This is wrong. Where we have to be balanced on is the gray areas. Not too far. Not this far. [00:37:16] Speaker A: That's right. [00:37:17] Speaker B: Like alcohol, coffee, whatever you want to. Yeah. Where It's. It's. It says you can. It says you can't. What's the truth? [00:37:28] Speaker A: And are you going to split hairs? [00:37:30] Speaker B: It just depends. And so that's what. That's how. That's how I separate. You know, the Bible speaks of something that's right, and there's no. There's no wiggle room. [00:37:42] Speaker A: Right. [00:37:43] Speaker B: Or this is wrong. There's no wiggle room. It's what is. Could it be or not be? You know, there's a lot of things. [00:37:51] Speaker A: And there are a lot of things that. That falls into overeating. [00:37:54] Speaker B: It could be. It could not be. Well, some people need gain weight. [00:37:57] Speaker A: Some people need eating a barbecue sandwich. [00:37:59] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, you need to gain some weight. I need to lose some. [00:38:03] Speaker C: Well, Sunday night, I was. [00:38:05] Speaker A: Well, everybody was here Sunday night, man. Lord. [00:38:07] Speaker B: Did you see. Did you see his plate? [00:38:09] Speaker C: I felt legit. [00:38:10] Speaker A: Mine was minuscule, I'm telling you, because I'd been eating all day. [00:38:14] Speaker C: I felt legit guilty because I got to the end of that line and I looked at my plate, and I was like, what? There ain't no way I'll eat all this. I didn't mean to do that. [00:38:20] Speaker A: No. [00:38:20] Speaker C: But then I was going to feel real guilty to not finish it, too, because now I've really wasted. So. [00:38:24] Speaker A: And now no. [00:38:25] Speaker C: So it's like, all right, they won't. I can't put it back. [00:38:27] Speaker A: This morning, Kenny was testing the engineering components of that of Hefty. [00:38:33] Speaker B: What happened was I picked up this big ch. This big piece of chicken. It was right in the middle of the plate, and it looked like it. It looked like a mountain, but it wasn't. [00:38:42] Speaker A: You know, I'm up there calling out numbers. I. I hear him say, tell Renee give me a piece of ham. He's looking at me. I don't want him to see me get his. Next thing. I was like, man, I'm not keeping school. [00:38:50] Speaker B: I told Renee, get a piece of ham. [00:38:55] Speaker C: Well, all through me and all three of the kids loaded up with more than we should have. I was surprised. Most of their. [00:39:02] Speaker A: What I do is I get just a little bit of this, a little bit of this, a little bit of this. Then that adds up to it to. [00:39:07] Speaker B: The end of that hill. [00:39:08] Speaker A: Yeah. You get to the end of the ale and you're like, my goodness gracious, this is crazy. [00:39:12] Speaker C: I need to start getting here earlier so I can do a run through and scout out. That's exactly what you had to do when you. When you just hop in line. You don't know what. [00:39:19] Speaker B: That's why everything is. You almost come to the line. It's always empty mostly if you, you know, if you're like the last ones. But this side on down. [00:39:31] Speaker C: Full. [00:39:31] Speaker A: Yeah, the L is full. [00:39:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:39:33] Speaker B: And that's where I like to go. I just kind of skip that. [00:39:35] Speaker A: That's where. If I was. If I was putting my. My stuff out, that's what we put ours. Renee puts hers always in that L because she's like, we have some carry home. Or I know what mine is. [00:39:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:39:46] Speaker A: I got a question for y' all today, if I can. [00:39:49] Speaker B: Yeah, well, it depends on the question. [00:39:51] Speaker A: All right, so both of y' all been in Thursday morning Bible study, Correct? [00:39:54] Speaker B: I'm not as. As consistent as he is, but give. [00:39:59] Speaker A: Yourself an excuse in case you don't know the answer. [00:40:01] Speaker B: No, I wasn't. I hadn't been there the last three or four weeks. [00:40:03] Speaker A: Oh, really? Where you been? [00:40:04] Speaker B: Down here. I've had things down here. By the time I get up there, it's. [00:40:07] Speaker A: Oh, man. [00:40:08] Speaker B: Yeah. And I can't tell you exactly one thing, but it's just a lot of different. [00:40:11] Speaker A: Let me talk to the pastor about that. You're working too much. [00:40:14] Speaker B: I've been talking to it. That might have been one of those. [00:40:16] Speaker A: Yeah, it probably was. Probably him running his mouth. All right, so help me out. I gotta speak Thursday to that group. And so I'm kind of. I'm. I'm. I'm hesitant of what I'm talking about. I've got an outline together. But what are some of the things that you've learned about grace? Because what I was told is just kind of come in, do a summation. Well, I didn't read the book by David Jeremiah, nor am I going to watch those sermons. I'm just going to do my own summation of what grace is. So I want to make sure that One I'm not. I'm going to preface this by saying I may repeat some of the same things he said or I may be totally in a whole different ballgame. [00:40:53] Speaker B: Are you on the same. In the same room with him? Are you on the same base, same book? [00:40:59] Speaker A: But I mean, he is, you know. [00:41:01] Speaker B: I mean, I can say anything that he hadn't said or he's probably not thought of anything that you won't say. I mean. [00:41:12] Speaker C: You'Ll be hard pressed to not repeat something because it wasn't a. The study hopped around all through the Bible talking about different forms of grace. [00:41:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:21] Speaker C: There's the grace that gets you through hard times. There's the grace that, you know in terms of forgiving and the way you deal with other people. [00:41:28] Speaker A: Right. [00:41:28] Speaker C: There's. It was, you know, I think, 10 different chapters. I wish I brought the book. If I had the book, I can make this a lot easier. But each chapter was almost like a different application of grace in a different way that. That grace plays a part in our lives. Paul is definitely the most quoted. [00:41:45] Speaker A: Yes. [00:41:45] Speaker C: From it. From. From all of his books. [00:41:48] Speaker A: But there was a point about six verses already that I'm using like that. [00:41:52] Speaker C: Yeah, there was. I know, a particular chapter just dedicated to. Well, there's. I can give you. This is from my notes from there. There's Romans 3, or, I'm sorry, Romans 5, 3 and 4. Tribulations lead to perseverance, perseverance, appearance. The perseverance leads to character. Character leads to hope. That was almost an entire lesson of just talking through the. We don't like to face the challenges in life, but they're not right there. There is a purpose for them. And he, you know, did an entire, you know, sermon on just how God uses those times. But that was just one chapter. There's, you know, others where it's talking about grace giving you just in our dealings with each other. [00:42:35] Speaker A: Right. [00:42:35] Speaker C: And. Okay, so probably not the best answer to give me, but. [00:42:38] Speaker A: No, no, I think that's because here's what I'm doing. My outline is grace is the gateway to salvation. Grace grows us to sanctification, and grace guides us to glory. And so it is one. It is by grace, through faith, we've been saved. But then also grace grows us in the fact that it shapes us, it sustains us, it strengthens us, it allows us to serve. And it's to be shared. And what I mean by shared is people that receive grace should be graceful. So we're going to be willing to forgive. We're Going to be willing to show mercy and then grace guides us to glory is, you know, it's what leads us along the way. It helps us to know. So I don't think it's anything that you hadn't heard. That's why I'm kind of like, you need my notes. [00:43:29] Speaker B: I'll send them to you. [00:43:30] Speaker A: I'll give you mine. [00:43:31] Speaker C: By that he means, do you want Renee's notes? He comes in about the third or fourth week and I asked you some days. Yeah, he. He. He said, I copied down Renee's notes. [00:43:40] Speaker A: He says, in my book, I've already got this. [00:43:42] Speaker B: No, but I mean, what you said, I think grace. You said it really. You said the whole thing. But one thing that I was hoping you would say, and you did, finally, I think it was the third one, was that we need to show grace to other people. [00:43:56] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the big. [00:43:58] Speaker B: That's. That's the one that we lack the most. [00:44:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, we love receiving it. Yes, but we love what it means for us. Yes, but are you forgiving? Are you being graceful? [00:44:12] Speaker B: That's the one that we all have to work on. That's the one I have to work on. [00:44:16] Speaker C: I don't know if this provides any more background for you or not, but I do know that from almost every chapter, if not every chapter, he refers to the. The person who wrote Amazing Grace. And that person, he talks a lot about him throughout the whole study. So that's just another. That's a non biblical underlying source, maybe that is referenced a lot. [00:44:39] Speaker B: Well, I didn't realize. When you talk about John Newton, I thought he came to. Back to the Lord much later in life, but he was. He was relatively pretty young when he came back to the Lord or when he got saved. I don't know what. I think he was trained, but then he turned against everything and then he came back, I think. Was he not in his 20s when he came back? [00:45:01] Speaker C: I don't remember. I'm sure he referenced it, but I don't remember it off top of my head. [00:45:04] Speaker B: I mean, I remember him saying that because that. I remember that because it caught me off guard. [00:45:10] Speaker C: Wow. Yeah. [00:45:11] Speaker B: Yeah. I didn't realize he was that young. [00:45:13] Speaker A: Yeah, I didn't read the book. [00:45:14] Speaker C: So I think the first. The entire first chapter, if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, the whole first chapter was telling the story of the song Amazing Grace. I didn't know that the last verse was written by somebody else, nor that it wasn't a popular Christian song until like the 70s. [00:45:31] Speaker A: It really. [00:45:32] Speaker C: I didn't know that. [00:45:32] Speaker B: Well, I did not know 70s, because my handbook was much older than the 70s. [00:45:37] Speaker A: It was a. Yeah, well, I think it's. I would say 20th century. [00:45:42] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. [00:45:43] Speaker C: I want to say that he's the story. [00:45:45] Speaker A: Gold 50s. Yeah. [00:45:46] Speaker B: The music wasn't put. Put to it till the 18th century. I believe it was a poem. [00:45:53] Speaker C: Yeah. It was slower developing than I would have realized, but it was later that. It may have been in hymn books in the 40s or 50s, but it wasn't popular in pop culture until, like, the 70s. [00:46:03] Speaker B: Right. Yeah, that could be. But churches would sing it. [00:46:05] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:46:05] Speaker B: I mean, I just. That's the first song I remember, and. And I believe our. Wow. I think our song was written in the 50s. And this is 72. [00:46:16] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:46:17] Speaker B: So. [00:46:18] Speaker C: So you asked us a question. I'm gonna ask y' all a question. So Gabe's been. [00:46:22] Speaker B: I don't have a question today. I'll do my next one, get you one. This is. [00:46:26] Speaker C: This one is a. You might even have to. I don't know if you got one right off offhand, but it's one of those mind teasers that Gabe likes to ask me. So he asked me the other day, and they've asked me this before, and it's such a stumping question to me. If you could ask God anything, what would you ask him? One question, and you know Gabe's answer? He said. I said, what would you say? He said, am I going to go to heaven or not? I said, well, that one's a pretty. You should know that one. That was one that. You know. [00:46:49] Speaker A: He's already told you the answer, Chance. [00:46:50] Speaker C: Yeah, he's already told you that one. But, man, it's a. If you'll give me 10 questions, I could probably help you give it. But if I've only got one, man, I don't know what. Do you have any. Any ideas on that? That's just a. That's a tough one. [00:47:02] Speaker B: Well, I know Solomon was asked that kind of question. He just wanted wisdom. What Solomon was asked. [00:47:11] Speaker C: Well, that was. [00:47:11] Speaker A: Which part are you talking about? That was God told, ask for anything you want, right? Yeah, yeah. [00:47:17] Speaker B: He. He requested wisdom. [00:47:19] Speaker A: Right. But now if you could ask God anything at all, any question, not a request. Is there something that you could ask God? That was God saying, you asked me for something. Something. This is us asking God. Such as, you know, I. You know, I. I'm kind of. Always had some questions in the back of my mind, but I probably wouldn't I'd be afraid to ask him, just because. [00:47:44] Speaker B: If I could ask God anything. Well, I. I would. I've never really had one question. I mean, I have a lot of questions, but I imagine if I was face to face with him, I wouldn't think of any questions asking. Yeah, I would blow just to see him. [00:48:09] Speaker C: Yeah. It's definitely not a lack of things I'd like to ask. It's just trying to narrow it down to one. [00:48:15] Speaker B: Everything would just sort of fade away when I, you know, see all us hardships just sort of fade away. [00:48:22] Speaker A: And part of it I kind of know the answer in a way, just might not be as exact. Or am I. Am I writing my thinking on this? Or how does that mean in the scriptures? I don't know. My. Mine would be all, I don't know, even though I know why do bad things happen to good people? Is there some kind of predeterminant or is there something going on that some people get cancer, some don't. That some people, man, that's a. That's a good guy, man. And, you know, you just like, why? [00:48:55] Speaker B: Why? [00:48:55] Speaker A: And I. And I know the why. And I know it's not. I mean, not that I'm gonna know the exact everything why, but I know it's because we're in a fallen world. I get that. I mean, I've been to theology, I'll get that. But it's still, man, it sure, sure does. I sure would love to have some kind of explanation at the same time. Don't need it. Yeah, there's that, you know, there's the, the proverbial. Okay, what happens to people who doesn't hear the gospel? That kind of thing. You know, there's that proverbial question. I mean, there's come some questions that you can ask, but I mean, we kind of sort of have some things. [00:49:31] Speaker B: We have the answers. Yeah. I mean, Romans tells us about what you were just on people that hadn't heard of, so. But I'm with you on that and I agree, because that's about where I'm at, is I had the answer, but I want to know more. [00:49:47] Speaker A: Or. [00:49:47] Speaker B: Or I want to know. [00:49:49] Speaker A: I may not be comfortable with the answer. [00:49:51] Speaker B: Yeah, it's, you know, we have the answers, but I just would like to have more information on the answers maybe because, like, I read Romans and you know, according to Romans, we all believed in God at some point in time, we turn ourselves. [00:50:09] Speaker A: Oh, we all stand. We all. [00:50:11] Speaker B: But I would like to know more about that. Yeah. How does that work? I. I guess that would be the question that I would like to know. Explain it to me more on the questions that I already have. [00:50:22] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:50:23] Speaker A: You know, and you always hear the, the ones, you know, why. Why would I have mosquitoes? I know why we got mosquitoes. But even they serve a purpose. Why would I have, you know, this? [00:50:33] Speaker B: Well, let me. Here's a question. Did God create insects or is that. [00:50:40] Speaker A: Part of the fault? [00:50:41] Speaker B: Pardon? Fault. [00:50:43] Speaker A: I would say he created insects. Yeah. [00:50:46] Speaker B: But it's not an animal, it's not a bird, it's not a fish, according to our culture. I don't know if the Bible means that they are birds, if that's part of a bird or if that's part of fish or what. [00:51:00] Speaker C: Well, this could turn into a rabbit hole. Yeah. [00:51:03] Speaker B: Just little things. [00:51:04] Speaker C: You know, there's the, the whole debate of, you know, do dogs go to heaven? Do animals go to heaven? Whatever. [00:51:10] Speaker B: I think they do. [00:51:11] Speaker C: And I've heard people say, you know, that dogs don't have souls and animals don't have soul. But, but then you also read parts of the Bible where I guess in the. I'm thinking of. [00:51:23] Speaker B: Horses. [00:51:23] Speaker C: Well, and. And also I'm thinking, lie down with the lamb. [00:51:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:27] Speaker C: And also that nature itself will rejoice in the millennial kingdom. That. So, like you, I can take that to say that even trees have souls to some extent. If you are, you know, even nature itself or the earth has. If it can rejoice. There's. I'm not literally saying. I think. But it's 124. [00:51:48] Speaker A: But I keep going, man. [00:51:50] Speaker C: But I've almost taken parts of the Bible to think that things that I consider to be inanimate may actually have more of an. More of an under. More of a awareness of God. [00:52:02] Speaker A: Well, I would have thought, I'm not using this as my pretext thing like that, but there was a time when a donkey saw more than. More than a prophet did, because donkey said, I ain't moving. There's something right there. And the prophet ain't seen it yet. [00:52:19] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:52:19] Speaker A: And so that would be Balaam. And so you have that. You know, to me, I don't know that that necessarily. Dolls go to heaven. Do I believe there's animals up there? [00:52:30] Speaker B: Sure. [00:52:31] Speaker A: And now you. You gave the right answer. I mean, all creation moans and groans. You know, lying in the lamb, he comes back riding on a horse. He's not. There's, there's. There's some animals up there. And, and, you know, as a dog lover, I Can't help but think, how much is heaven going to be? You know, they got some dogs, at least one or two. [00:52:51] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:52:51] Speaker A: What kind of place is this? But yeah, I don't know that my Jackie is necessarily there. I kind of hope she is and waiting for us, but I don't. I don't have any proof of that. [00:53:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:02] Speaker C: And. [00:53:03] Speaker A: And I'm like, you dogs don't have souls. So I'm just. I don't know how God will take care of that. [00:53:09] Speaker C: Yeah. One, one takeaway, I think from the. The question of if you could ask God anything. All three of us have had a hard time coming up with a 1, 1 answer, 1 simple answer. [00:53:20] Speaker B: I got a lot of. [00:53:21] Speaker C: I've got a lot of potential qualifiers, but I don't have one. And when you think about it, that's kind of a testament to God's word in a way in that he told us what we need to know, all of the big ones, and gave us enough, you know, like, what's the other. How do I get to heaven? That's in the Bible. How do we disciple to others? That's in the Bible. What's the one thing that you really, really want us to know? There might be a few different answers to that, but it's in the Bible. [00:53:44] Speaker A: Am I going to heaven? [00:53:45] Speaker C: Yeah. So all of the really, really important ones are very obvious in Scripture. [00:53:50] Speaker B: It is. [00:53:50] Speaker C: And then some of these really tricky ones apparen he doesn't need us to know those he wanted us to know about. [00:53:57] Speaker A: Even those can be, in a way understood. I don't think he's left us to where we don't have any kind of answers for any of the hard stuff. That's kind of the beauty of the Christian worldview is it makes sense. Why is it such a sorry world? Well, go back to Genesis 3. Everybody else is trying to explain it through. Well, it's psychology, it's sociology, it's this, that and the other. No, Genesis 3 points out, this is why it's a sorry world. This is why we have crime, this is why we have sickness. It's because we sinned. [00:54:30] Speaker C: But. [00:54:31] Speaker A: But God did something about it. And that's the beauty of the Christian worldview is man, it just lines up and it makes sense. I can watch the news and know. No, that that lines up with exactly what my worldview is. I see some of the crazy stuff that's going on in this world where folks don't even know, you know, what's what. Define a man, define a woman. No, Romans tells us there's going to be times when they're going to forsake, even thanking God and then, you know, give up, you know, basically. Basically come to a point of their minds have become confused. So yeah, there is all kinds of. I mean, it just makes sense when you look at the world and you can just sit back and just kind of be like, no, that's what God said. [00:55:16] Speaker B: And who's the author of Confucian? [00:55:18] Speaker A: Well, it'd be Satan himself. [00:55:20] Speaker B: And then why were you surprised that. [00:55:23] Speaker A: The world, the father of lies and. [00:55:26] Speaker B: Why are we surprised at the world you have can't tell the difference between a man and woman. [00:55:31] Speaker A: Yep. [00:55:32] Speaker B: Because they live by their morals, which is no morals. So I get it. It's strange to me. But, you know, sin could take you down any pathway as you can and many pathway. Pathways. [00:55:47] Speaker C: Well, anytime you get to a point where, you know, maybe one of the most dangerous human phrases of all is to each their own. Anytime each individual decides for themselves what's right and wrong, boy, you're going to have a mess. [00:56:00] Speaker A: Because, you know, well, that's your verse that you've been memorizing Proverbs 3, 5 and 6. Anytime not on your own understanding. [00:56:09] Speaker B: Anytime an individual decides what's wrong or for everybody else, then we're in trouble. [00:56:15] Speaker C: Or even for yourself, even starting, you. [00:56:18] Speaker A: Know, that's a mess. [00:56:18] Speaker C: Yeah. Even starting off for yourself though, even if. If we stopped right there and just said, I'm going to decide what's right and wrong for me. You decide for that is bad enough. But now once I start saying, well, I've decided what's right and wrong and now you have to go by. And you have to go by it and that's when you start getting a real big mess. [00:56:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:35] Speaker B: Which one? That's got. That's part. I mean, that's all part of it. The right here is what's right and wrong. [00:56:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:43] Speaker B: And there's no being balanced on what's right and wrong in here was what's being balanced is what it doesn't necessarily say. It can go both ways. [00:56:55] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:55] Speaker B: That's the thing. [00:56:58] Speaker C: I don't know if this is. And we can probably start wrapping up here pretty soon. But the. I don't know if this is true at all. It seems I seem to be just noticing at a very, very, you know, micro. My little circle level people starting to see more and more of seeing more truth maybe or starting to at least see how chaotic all these other things are. [00:57:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:22] Speaker C: And you know, and it's just little tiny examples of it. I mean, you can. You can look at Facebook or YouTube and see videos, but that algorithm is going to feed you what it knows you're going to like. So that may not necessarily be representative, but anyway, I had a conversation with somebody the other day that we weren't going to talk again until like, January, I think it's our next meeting or something. And I was just said, you know, merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, all that kind of stuff. I'll talk to you again. And what I meant by happy holidays wasn't the substitute. It was all the other holidays between. [00:57:49] Speaker A: Now and Thanksgiving, New Year's. [00:57:50] Speaker C: But they specifically interrupt and I said, you can say merry Christmas. I'm tired of all these people not saying Christmas. So it just seems that it's almost like the world's finally gotten crazy enough that some of the people that were on the front, on the fence between the two have kind of said, okay, we're. [00:58:05] Speaker A: This is. [00:58:06] Speaker C: This is not right. I don't know if this is right. [00:58:08] Speaker A: Or not, but I know that hearing that from a bunch of people saying that's dumb. [00:58:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:58:12] Speaker A: You know, that. That just don't make sense, man. [00:58:14] Speaker C: But in terms of, like, church attendance and things like that, I mean, are. Are people starting to turn to faith more than they may have a decade or two ago at a high level that you guys know of or. [00:58:26] Speaker B: That's a tricky, tricky question because I think we really don't know. I think, I mean, we're going by enrollment or this. We really don't know if. I don't think we really know if we're going. Churches are dying or increasing. Some denominations we see are dying. Some traditional churches are dying, some. But we have churches here that are a lot more bigger than they used to be. You know, we had many churches. Maybe we have fewer churches, but we have more attendance in those churches. So my answer is I don't know. I really don't. But I do know there's a revival. I don't know about being here, but I know there's. I hear of revivals elsewhere in the world. [00:59:18] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:59:19] Speaker B: And I'm thinking. I mean, the question is. I just don't know. I can't give it a correct answer. Yes or no. Maybe. Maybe Ben has. Has a better. [00:59:30] Speaker C: Well, I don't know if any of that for sure. I'm just kind of curious that. [00:59:34] Speaker A: Well, I mean, we. [00:59:34] Speaker B: We do. [00:59:35] Speaker A: The Baptists do quite a bit of research and looking at various things, and my. My answer to that question would be Depends on what part of the world. [00:59:43] Speaker B: You'Re in or what part of the country. [00:59:46] Speaker A: A world country. [00:59:47] Speaker B: I mean. Okay, but. [00:59:49] Speaker A: But it really does depend on what part of the world you're in. I mean, you go to some countries, like some that are persecuted, some that have been dark for years and years, that now God's beginning to move in some of those. And so we're seeing revival and we're seeing churches being born in places where it wasn't. At the same time, it's still. Yeah, if you look at the general line, you would say, yeah, there's less churches or they're dying or they're decreasing. They're on the decline. At the same time, there's still a lot of folks who are responding. So it's not like, oh, it's going down so fast. But I do believe there's a. Right now a steady kind of a slow, slight decline. At the same time, I believe there's a lot of good things that are coming and a lot of good things I'm seeing. He mentioned a couple revivals on college campuses. I don't know that I've tried to do some research in that. Is it legit? Is it real? We'll be able to tell some signs of. Is a revival reel. And I, and I. I, for one, I'm not looking for revival being, oh, okay, there were 75,000 people who got saved at one time. God could do that. Revival to me is, I'm. I'm burning at a longer clip for the Lord on a steady. I mean, that's why for me as a pastor, I'm not looking for a quick, you know, fire burst. I'm wanting the people of God to have a passion for the Lord. And that steady passion just continues to grow. And if that does, it'll grow the church. You don't have to have a revival meeting. You don't have to have somebody get hurrahed up. No, if I could keep you on a steady diet of God's word and keeping your eyes on Christ, it's amazing how that will. Will go from there. [01:01:45] Speaker B: And I agree with you on that, because you can't. You can't have a. A flame. You know, it just bursts, whatever. There's thousands and thousands of people saved, but they had no theology. [01:02:00] Speaker A: They don't have any discipleship. And that's. [01:02:03] Speaker B: And that's what. [01:02:03] Speaker A: How you going to disciple that? [01:02:04] Speaker B: I like what you were talking about, because that's what we need. But saying that I have heard that Iran is probably the hottest area For. [01:02:17] Speaker A: Christianity right now, Iran, India, that whole. [01:02:20] Speaker B: And you would be surprised. You know, they're killing those people. But, but I, but I like what you're saying, and I, I like going that way. But, you know, whether that's true or not, I don't know because I'm not there. [01:02:35] Speaker C: Well, one of the things that seems to be a culture around here, and I like this and applaud this, I guess, but there's almost two different ways you could say growth of the church. Right. There's the growth of the church in, in terms of our. Is membership growing? Are there more bodies? But another important way to look at it is, are the members that are in the church growing right now? And I think that that's something that I've maybe noticed or thought of more in the last couple years we've been doing the show is that a lot of growing Christianity is about current Christians becoming more Christ like and growing in our own walk. [01:03:15] Speaker A: Or you have a lot that are coming to Christ, I. E. You know, churches are getting bigger, but they're not growing spiritually. And that's where that's what's hurting. Because if you're not growing spiritually, you're not going to grow, you know, anybody. And maybe I should hold off on saying this because I need to be careful. You know, it's one of those things of. Jesus did not necessarily go after the crowd. In fact, if you want to base it on numbers, he only had 120. Man, I know some churches that are dying with 120. I know some churches that if they had 100 or that 120, they would think, man, we're going backwards big time. Well, he only had 120 when he was. When he was, you know, raised from the dead. And that started the movement. [01:04:01] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:04:02] Speaker A: So I don't know that we need to put all the emphasis on numbers all the time. [01:04:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:04:07] Speaker A: As much as it is. No, I want to see disciples, not necessarily, you know, demographics or those numbers that match up to say, oh, we've got 45 new people here. Now, granted, I do want to see that and I'm going to be excited, but I don't think you can grade yourself just strictly on that. And that's where a lot of pastors get in trouble, is they grade themselves on that success rather than are the people that God has given me to be their shepherd for right now, their under shepherd, are they growing in the Lord? Can I see a passion for Christ? Can I see an obedience? Can I see God? You're working There, that's what you want. [01:04:47] Speaker C: Well, a full sports analogy out here with, with Gabe. A couple years ago, I remember the Panthers had drafted like all defense one year in particular. So a couple years later, I remember, you know, me and Gabe talking about the season coming up or whatever, and I said, well, our defense should be getting better even if we don't get more players just because we were all rookies last year, second year, third year, fourth year, we're going to get better and better just by the people we have growing. And I think to some extent the same thing with the church. And I never would have thought of it this way. And I. It's slippery slope. I don't want to get too hung up on it. [01:05:18] Speaker A: But. [01:05:18] Speaker C: But if you are one of these churches that's just every single week, 100 new members. 100 new members, 100 new members or new Christians. [01:05:24] Speaker A: Right. [01:05:24] Speaker C: What you end up with after a while is a whole bunch of rookie Christians guiding each other. And I'm not saying that that's always a bad thing. [01:05:31] Speaker A: Maybe they can be sometimes. [01:05:33] Speaker C: Sometimes it can. Rookie Christians can be dangerous if they don't have someone there to disciple to them and to help them grow their walk so. [01:05:44] Speaker A: Well. And look, I don't know that this is an appropriate quote or whatnot, but I've always love, loved the quote Nick, Nick Saban had because they asked him, you know, coach, what do your players think of you? And he used to, he used to tell every one of his guys that he would mentor. He said, if you want to be popular, go sell ice cream. You know, if you want to be popular, go drive a ice cream truck. [01:06:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:06:09] Speaker A: But if you want to mold and shape men, then, yeah, you're going to be times disliked. You're going to be times. And I think there are the. That that's where again, we need to remind ourselves we're not here to be popular. We're not here to. We are here to make disciples. And that's what we really need to have is our MO and our focus and our disciples. [01:06:30] Speaker B: And this is something that probably the work that I do, when I say I do, we do. I want us any youth program or just youth in general. [01:06:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:43] Speaker B: We are making disciples, but the chances of them serving in this church is very slim. [01:06:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:51] Speaker B: But we're making decisions not to grow this church, but to grow the kingdom. [01:06:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:56] Speaker B: Whether they universal. I would like them to attend this church when they get older, but they. They're not required to. [01:07:02] Speaker A: Yeah. And so they might live in Ithaca, New York. [01:07:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:05] Speaker A: Nashville, Tennessee. Yeah. Or just like Teresa. Teresa's son and daughter, man, they. They were discipled, but they're living elsewhere. [01:07:16] Speaker B: Nashville, Tennessee, whatever. Ithaca. [01:07:18] Speaker C: Well, if we had, you know, if we fast forward. [01:07:21] Speaker B: Charlotte. [01:07:21] Speaker A: Charlotte, Mississippi, you name it. Yeah. [01:07:24] Speaker B: And we benefit for that, too, because we. We are growing. It's not kingdom growth, but we are growing where people move in and they bring their children. [01:07:35] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:07:35] Speaker A: And. [01:07:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:38] Speaker A: Yeah. It comes around. [01:07:39] Speaker C: Well, what you just hit, you teed up my next point for me right there when you said it's not kingdom growth. We can fast forward 10 years or 5 years or whatever and have 30,000 people showing up here every single. To the point. We've got to have a coliseum for your services. Oh, yeah, that's great. For fbc. [01:07:57] Speaker B: Okay. [01:07:58] Speaker C: What is that for the kingdom. Right. Versus, you know, a thousand that go out into the world and spread the gospel into different places. I mean, that's how Jesus did it. You want to look at how, you know, the. The blueprint for discipleship. He did pretty well with that 120. [01:08:14] Speaker A: That's right. You don't have a thousand if you got. If you got a hundred or you got 50. [01:08:19] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:08:19] Speaker A: And they're going out and obediently sharing. You watch it grow. [01:08:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:08:24] Speaker A: And then, you know, you're going to have some churches that no matter what happens, they're not going to get above certain size. [01:08:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:08:31] Speaker A: You know, I dare say a church down in. In. In Oriental or Duck, North Carolina to. It's going to get bigger than what the population is. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's not there. [01:08:42] Speaker B: I mean, we had. [01:08:44] Speaker A: But we've got it. [01:08:45] Speaker B: I grew up. Yeah, we did here. And they can. It can get bigger and bigger and bigger. But I grew up in it. I grew up in a community of 200 people. Small island, about 2,000. But we're not going to have 4,000 people at church. [01:09:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:09:04] Speaker B: We ain't gonna have. [01:09:05] Speaker C: That's right. [01:09:06] Speaker B: 2000. [01:09:07] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:09:08] Speaker A: Right. [01:09:09] Speaker B: Because there always lost people around you. [01:09:13] Speaker A: But ain't but 2,000 on the island. [01:09:14] Speaker B: Right, right. That's what I'm saying. You can't have no more. [01:09:17] Speaker C: You find me an island with 2,000 people and they're all in church, and Sunday I'm moving there. [01:09:20] Speaker A: And they might. They might even. You might have some folks who sell to the island to go to church, but it ain't gonna be. You're not gonna grow that. Yeah, they'll pass that. [01:09:28] Speaker B: I mean, that's the reality of it. If Fuqua was 2,000 people. [01:09:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:09:33] Speaker B: And they have six churches here. You ain't going to have 500 people. You're going to have. You might have 200. [01:09:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:09:41] Speaker B: You know, and. And everybody in the south are not Christians. That's. But, you know, I don't know where that got. Where that came from that we all go to church. [01:09:51] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:09:52] Speaker B: I remember a lot of. A lot of people that lived in the cell. [01:09:56] Speaker A: Good people, 50s and 60s. I remember that. [01:09:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:10:00] Speaker A: But you know, for the most part, like a little small town like Fuqua. [01:10:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:10:04] Speaker A: But you know for a fact, for a little small town like Fuquay, if you didn't, you were kind of. You were the black. [01:10:09] Speaker C: Everybody knew about it. [01:10:11] Speaker A: What's wrong with that? [01:10:12] Speaker B: Man, the perception that people that move here, that we all go to church. [01:10:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:10:17] Speaker B: And I'm saying. No, we don't. [01:10:19] Speaker A: No, we don't. That's right. [01:10:20] Speaker B: It's a sad thing. [01:10:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:10:22] Speaker B: You should be in church. Yeah. But then the perception that we have about the people that move from here up north. Yeah, man. They don't go to church. Yeah. [01:10:32] Speaker A: Or they're all Catholic. [01:10:33] Speaker B: Yeah. Catholic or whatever. And that's. That's a lie too, because there's a lot of Protestant churches. [01:10:39] Speaker A: Maybe not much, not as many. [01:10:41] Speaker C: But I made that mistake when I was talking about the. The client of mine that was starting a podcast and I called the Catholic 167. I found out he wasn't Catholic. He grew up Catholic, but he ain't. [01:10:51] Speaker A: Oh, so daddy explains why he's so. He's so sound. Sounds like. So. So what is he now? Protestant. I mean, Protestant, Yes. [01:11:02] Speaker C: I don't know. I don't know. [01:11:04] Speaker A: Z. Lutheran sounds. He sounds almost Baptist. [01:11:09] Speaker C: He has. I can't remember if I'm. If I've talked to him and a friend of his and one of the two of them goes to a Baptist church, but I don't remember which type of Baptist church. [01:11:19] Speaker A: Okay. [01:11:19] Speaker C: Because I remember having a conversation with him about Southern Baptist in Chicago. I don't. In that counter. They're not contradictory or whatever. But there are. I know that I don't remember which was which. I know Protestant, but I don't know. It's not. Whatever it is, it wasn't like Methodist or President. It wasn't. [01:11:37] Speaker B: That's very far out. [01:11:39] Speaker C: It could have been like a non denominational. [01:11:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:11:41] Speaker C: Protestant church or something. [01:11:43] Speaker A: Four square or something along that. Quaker or something. Yeah, it was. [01:11:47] Speaker B: I don't know much about a Quaker. [01:11:50] Speaker A: That's from way back. [01:11:51] Speaker B: I know there is a Quaker meeting. There's A Quaker. Quakers here. [01:11:55] Speaker C: Aren't there some churches that are basically Baptist but don't call themselves Baptist? They follow pretty much the Baptist, but they don't call it. [01:12:02] Speaker A: Well, but they call themselves a Bible church. Well, this, which is different, which is a little bit. But man, 90% of these churches that get started up that are not non denominational, they usually came from the Southern Baptist Church that started up. It, it's just they, they somehow believe or think. And again, this goes back to that. Oh, because it's got that label on it. This is what they are. And, and it was because, well, they're called Baptists and they, they hate these folks and they don't like them. And they don't like them and there's a. Was. That's not who we are. [01:12:35] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Well that goes back to growing the, the. In our own walk too. The Baptist. Why do the Baptists have a bad reputation? That's, that's, that's on us. [01:12:43] Speaker A: Yeah, right. [01:12:44] Speaker C: I mean if the Baptists don't want. [01:12:45] Speaker B: To have that bad. [01:12:46] Speaker C: We've heard something that way. [01:12:47] Speaker A: Right. [01:12:47] Speaker B: We've earned some. We've got bad apples in everything. [01:12:51] Speaker C: Oh yes. [01:12:52] Speaker B: Every, every walk of life. Accountants, CPAs, lawyers. [01:12:57] Speaker A: And what's the Bible say about be careful. Bad company corrupts good morals. That's what it says. You just gotta be careful. Bad apples can make more bad apples. Okay. [01:13:09] Speaker B: Yeah, right, right. [01:13:10] Speaker A: I. [01:13:11] Speaker B: But it's just, it's in, you know, people say they're all hypocrites. There's hypocrites in every field. There's hypocrites, politicians, doctors. Yeah. [01:13:21] Speaker A: Can you pick up them? [01:13:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:13:23] Speaker A: Glad you picked one that we really didn't know about. Yeah. [01:13:27] Speaker B: That's what, that's what I'm trying to tell you. There's doctors in everything. [01:13:29] Speaker A: Oh man, you don't. [01:13:32] Speaker C: This thing now. No way. [01:13:35] Speaker B: Politicians, I mean that's the excuse that people make. They don't go to church because they're hypocrites. Yeah, but there's hypocrites everywhere. [01:13:42] Speaker A: Well, and that's where they want to. They expect them to be perfect and they're never going to be. We're not. [01:13:46] Speaker B: No. They don't want to. [01:13:47] Speaker A: And I think that's the thing is, is being real enough to say, man, I'm not trying to be. [01:13:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:13:52] Speaker A: I try as a pastor to always look, I'm human just like you are. I struggle. I don't know everything. I try to study and I'm still going to prove myself to be fallible numerous times over. And. And I think that's. That's the real thing that the people are looking for in this world. The world looking for something that's real. Yeah. And if we'll be the real real, then it'll be amazing. [01:14:16] Speaker B: And you can't find your theology on. [01:14:18] Speaker A: If we'll be the real real. We can reel them in. Fishes of men. [01:14:22] Speaker B: Nice. [01:14:25] Speaker A: I need to get. [01:14:25] Speaker B: I need to give you my. [01:14:26] Speaker A: Let's end on that, boys. [01:14:29] Speaker C: That's a better, better rap right there. [01:14:33] Speaker B: Really, man. Ben. [01:14:34] Speaker A: Yes, sir. Let's do it. [01:14:36] Speaker C: Well, 100 down. [01:14:38] Speaker A: 100 down, boys. Let's go. 100 more. [01:14:41] Speaker B: So 24. You wanted me to read that? [01:14:43] Speaker A: I was just. You were just talking about everybody. Yeah, I'm sure you woke up in the morning and put them on. You didn't sweet sleep with them on that night, did you? [01:14:52] Speaker B: I've only worn them twice today with one of them. [01:14:55] Speaker A: But that's not the question. Did you sleep. [01:14:57] Speaker C: Was the once last night. So you. I really didn't pay attention. I love you, buddy. We're gonna go ahead and slide this away from the mic, though. [01:15:05] Speaker B: No, I. I was trying to. [01:15:06] Speaker C: I was. I can tell you right now that. [01:15:09] Speaker A: Is going to be a. Well, he done slid it back, so you might want to slide the mic. Might want to slide to mic. [01:15:15] Speaker C: Well, I need it close enough to where you hear. Kenny. [01:15:17] Speaker A: That is not going to work. [01:15:18] Speaker C: That is not going to work. [01:15:19] Speaker A: Yes.