Shady Broken People

[00:00:02] Speaker A: We talked about the human side. All those names and boy, are they human. The next few verses, which is where Joseph is told. Okay, man, it's cool. [00:00:15] Speaker A: I know you're upset. And I know you're thinking about divorcing her. Putting her away public or privately, which is the right thing. Don't do it. This child is the savior. [00:00:29] Speaker A: Well, how much is Realtree now? [00:00:31] Speaker B: I paid 195. [00:00:34] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah, that trees ain't cheap. [00:00:37] Speaker B: That's 10 foot. [00:00:38] Speaker A: And they were bragging. [00:00:39] Speaker B: Difference between trees, if you go to food line, they look pretty. But you put it against a premium tree, man, that doesn't look good at all. But by itself, it looks good. Yeah, but you're going to pay high dollar for it. [00:00:55] Speaker A: Yeah, premium tree. Where you get your premium tree? [00:00:57] Speaker B: I got a man off 10. 10 used to get them for Donald. Donald Avery. [00:01:02] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, I know you did. [00:01:03] Speaker B: That's why I was gonna buy them here lately. [00:01:05] Speaker A: Yeah, I figured you'd go up to Boom by yourself and. Or, you know, cut it down yourself. [00:01:11] Speaker B: We've done that for her mother's tree. They used to do that. [00:01:14] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a fun trip. I can't tell you when we used to have to go. App would play a ball game. The Saturday or the Friday after Thanksgiving, we'd be going up the mountain. I can't tell you how many cars we'd pass. Me with a tree with tree on the top. Everybody been to Boom to get free. And I'll never forget Nicole, you know, she was buying and terminating in her apartment. She was going to get a real tree. And she said, we live in Boone. We have to get a real tree. And I said, okay, are you ready to one water it? You know, every. Every other day, or at least every day are you. And she stopped me, she said, you don't have to water a tree. And I said. [00:01:53] Speaker A: Because like I said, she had. Our kids knew nothing but artificial. And it's just. [00:01:58] Speaker B: I hate saying always had a real tree. Even when she was teaching school, her father used to bring a tree for a class. [00:02:04] Speaker A: Yeah, I just. Like I said, I just want to be eco friendly. I don't want to kill another tree. [00:02:09] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess you. They do root if you got to put some. What's it called? The root compound. [00:02:15] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, you can mulch it. [00:02:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:02:19] Speaker B: And fire, I like. I like to light them on fire and they just blow right up. You surprise the back of the house. [00:02:30] Speaker A: You better be careful back there, man. You ain't got nothing but woods. [00:02:34] Speaker B: Yeah, but it's wet. [00:02:35] Speaker A: Yeah. But you make sure right now it is. I tell you what, we are soaked right now. [00:02:40] Speaker B: Well, I can tell you, and I can't believe that my mother used to leave on Christmas Eve those big old Christmas bulbs. [00:02:49] Speaker A: Yes, yes. [00:02:50] Speaker B: Hot as fire. [00:02:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:02:51] Speaker B: And I've seen them when we had taken them up and they would have burn marks in the carpet. [00:02:58] Speaker B: But I guess we just didn't know the difference. Of course, we're about 20 years behind everybody at that time. [00:03:02] Speaker A: Right. [00:03:02] Speaker B: Because we. [00:03:03] Speaker A: But it was those. Those bulbs are hot. [00:03:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:07] Speaker A: And it's so much different now with LEDs and everything. [00:03:10] Speaker B: Yeah. Because they're cool. Yeah. Or they don't get hot, but they will. I felt when you light a match, it just blows right up. [00:03:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:19] Speaker B: Because it's so dry even when you water it. Yeah. [00:03:24] Speaker C: I might have told the story last year. I can't remember, but the first time I tried to decorate for Christmas on my own with the kids and stuff, it was an absolute ordeal because I didn't know what I was getting into. I waited till like December 13, which apparently is way too late to buy a Christmas tree. [00:03:40] Speaker A: That's getting there. [00:03:41] Speaker C: And then the third thing, then you. [00:03:44] Speaker B: Start talking about price, you said. [00:03:45] Speaker C: Yeah, well, there weren't that many. And the one that I got, I mean, it was like 6ft tall, but it was about 5ft wide. [00:03:52] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:03:53] Speaker C: It was nasty looking tree. And. [00:03:58] Speaker C: The. The least uniform shape ever. I mean, it was. It was awful. [00:04:02] Speaker A: There's a reason it's still in the lot. [00:04:03] Speaker C: Yeah. And it took me like three different past stores to get all the ornaments that I needed because nobody had any, you know, lights and decorations. All that stuff that late in the. It took me three different. I dedicated three different days to decorate this tree before it finally got done. It was a total train wreck. [00:04:23] Speaker B: They won't deal with you till the week after Thanksgiving weekend. After Thanksgiving. [00:04:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:04:28] Speaker B: That's when they make the money. That's when they break even. [00:04:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:31] Speaker B: After. After Thanksgiving they'll start working with you. And the closer you get to Christmas, the more they'll work with you. [00:04:37] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Well, they want to get it off the line. [00:04:39] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [00:04:40] Speaker B: I think Renee's father sold. He did sell one on Christmas Eve one time. [00:04:45] Speaker C: Oh, really? [00:04:46] Speaker B: But it's like the peak was this past weekend. Now every. Every weekend, because everybody's got the truth, you know, just goes lower. [00:04:56] Speaker C: Well, that's how I always wait till the last minute and I could get. [00:05:00] Speaker B: One for like 60 bucks. [00:05:01] Speaker A: You can't. Moving this might not look like a, looks like a sixty dollar tree. Yeah. [00:05:08] Speaker A: I remember when that used to be premium tree. [00:05:10] Speaker B: Yes. But we used to cut ours. [00:05:13] Speaker C: Really? [00:05:14] Speaker A: Yeah. You just go out and get a. [00:05:15] Speaker B: Scenery, pick it out next year. [00:05:18] Speaker A: My uncle used to do that up until he passed away. I mean those were some. [00:05:22] Speaker C: I told Doug the Sunday after church. I am committed this year. We'll see how it goes to. I really want to enjoy the Christmas season without getting so distracted and busy and all that because last year it's so easy to. We've got so many things going on and they're all great, but you get so busy. That takes some of the joy away from it. [00:05:43] Speaker A: Even, even, even if you try. [00:05:46] Speaker C: It's a battle and I really want to, to fight that off somehow this year. [00:05:50] Speaker A: And it doesn't mean you shouldn't do that. [00:05:52] Speaker B: No. [00:05:52] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. [00:05:53] Speaker A: I'm not saying I'm not doing it. [00:05:54] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:54] Speaker A: I think, I think it's just wise to make it that it's, I mean it's like, like somebody said the other day, you know, oh, if I can just make it to December 21st, then I'll, I'll feel like. And so it's like also so everybody's going to be packed and double timing and everything else to the 21st and then just enjoy, celebrate getting ready and thinking about. So yeah, I know I still got to do all the stuff. Just not going to let it become such a force in my life that I can't even. That I forget the awe and the wonder of the season. [00:06:27] Speaker C: I'm feeling particularly festive this year. I actually broke tradition and started watching Christmas movies before Thanksgiving. Watch Christmas vacation. [00:06:36] Speaker B: Think you must be watching Hallmark. [00:06:38] Speaker A: I've not watched, I've not watched one yet. [00:06:40] Speaker B: So I, I haven't either. [00:06:42] Speaker C: We watched, we watched. [00:06:44] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:06:45] Speaker A: She's watching Christmas in July on Hallmark. [00:06:47] Speaker B: Yeah, Hallmark. [00:06:48] Speaker A: Hallmark channel. [00:06:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:49] Speaker A: They got them in July. [00:06:50] Speaker B: I have not, I have not watched one movie in Hallmark. I'm ashamed to say that, but she watches every one of them. [00:06:57] Speaker A: I'm proud of you. [00:06:59] Speaker A: I don't watch because the ones that I've watched a little bit of, I was like, okay, this is so formula that I can, I believe I can write about 10 of season. [00:07:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. It's just a love story with a. [00:07:10] Speaker A: Christmas tree and it's always going to be the same. There's a bad guy, she's with a bad guy at the beginning. She gets with it. Yeah. [00:07:19] Speaker C: Somebody moves into town. [00:07:20] Speaker A: Yes. And lo and behold, Christmas magic happens. [00:07:24] Speaker C: They don't like each other to start with. They usually start off with a fight. [00:07:27] Speaker A: It's just like the old Love Boat themes. Yeah. [00:07:29] Speaker B: Does Renee watch it? [00:07:31] Speaker A: No, she really doesn't. [00:07:34] Speaker B: Does she watch Lifetime? [00:07:37] Speaker B: I don't know if Renee watches Lifetime anymore, but I know that whole. I can't change our TV provider without having Hallmark on me. [00:07:47] Speaker A: You gotta have homework. Well, when you, when, when you let Renee and go to bed at 7:45, you ain't watching many movies. [00:07:53] Speaker B: Well, she can tape it or. [00:07:55] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:07:55] Speaker A: And then, then she's up on the weekend, but we're watching. She's a Carolina fan, so it's Carolina football, basketball or some sports. [00:08:03] Speaker B: Well, Carolina football kind of ain't get a little. [00:08:05] Speaker A: Yeah, I wouldn't want to watch that. She didn't watch much of that game. She went to bed early. [00:08:09] Speaker C: I watched my first Carolina basketball game. [00:08:11] Speaker A: Of the year the other night. [00:08:11] Speaker C: It was the Michigan State game. [00:08:12] Speaker B: They look good lost. [00:08:14] Speaker C: They do look good. [00:08:14] Speaker A: Michigan State's a good team. Yeah, they are. I tried to tell her. I said, ain't nothing to lose. [00:08:18] Speaker C: Worry about that, freshman. [00:08:20] Speaker A: I think, I think it's one of. I think they have nights when they can shoot the three and they're going to be deadly. And then they're going to be nights when Carolina King hits barn and somebody's going. They're going to be. I think, I think they're aptly rated where they are about. About 15, 16. I don't think they're top 10. But it could be. I could be proven wrong because I hadn't seen the other 28 teams play. Yeah, but. But I do believe Duke is. Is rightly rated at top four. [00:08:47] Speaker B: Did. How many games did Carolina win? [00:08:51] Speaker C: What? [00:08:51] Speaker B: Football? [00:08:52] Speaker A: Yeah, football. Football. Four. [00:08:55] Speaker B: Were they high school? [00:08:56] Speaker A: Four. Well, they were some bad. And you know, I thought they were improving and I mean. But part of it was they played Syracuse and some of the other teams and then they played Duke and State and they were in the Duke game. They really were. Which. How are they in championship? That sucks. That's sad. The ACC is. Yeah, Duke's playing Virginia for the acc. That's a what a what a sleeper of a game. Don't you know that's going to really. [00:09:24] Speaker C: Draw that one coming. [00:09:25] Speaker A: Yeah, that's terrible. [00:09:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:09:27] Speaker A: And. But I think Miami might get. Who knows? I don't even know if we're going to get ACC team in the. In the college football playoffs. Really, to be honest with you, I don't think we should. Oh, people are talking about If Duke wins, they might. Duke. Duke has as much business being in the CFP estate does. [00:09:44] Speaker B: Isn't that why they changed the conferences that bring in better schools for football? The acc? [00:09:50] Speaker A: You talking about adding more and more schools? Yeah, that was the theory, but. But it hadn't helped us. [00:09:55] Speaker B: It has helped. [00:09:56] Speaker A: Well. And the ACC is good at taking a school that's good in football, adding them to our conference and making them sorry. Florida State couldn't lose in the 90s. [00:10:04] Speaker B: Miami. [00:10:05] Speaker A: Miami couldn't lose in the 90s. Yeah, we're good at that. Boston College used to be a good football team. [00:10:10] Speaker C: Where they. [00:10:11] Speaker A: Syracuse used to be. They're ter. They were terrible this year. Yeah, I think they're up and down, but I. The ACC is bad football. Clemson, we've made them bad. They're. They're up and downs. They're the only ones that are. They're our redeeming factor. And they were terrible this year. We got nobody this year. [00:10:28] Speaker B: And really, basketball, when was the last time ACC team won? [00:10:33] Speaker A: I mean, we played in this championship for the last couple years. Duke should have won it last year. [00:10:39] Speaker B: But they didn't. But they didn't almost uncount. [00:10:41] Speaker A: Yep. So, yeah, basketball, I still put us as at least. Yeah, we're one of the best conferences. [00:10:49] Speaker B: I always say. We're one of the best outfit. [00:10:52] Speaker A: When you have Duke in Carolina, that kind of helps you out. There we are. [00:10:56] Speaker C: All right, welcome back, guys. [00:10:58] Speaker B: Welcome Bible. [00:10:59] Speaker C: Now we're about on time. [00:11:02] Speaker A: About time change. [00:11:02] Speaker C: 30 minutes in. [00:11:03] Speaker B: That's right, 30 minutes in. [00:11:06] Speaker C: Well, 30 minutes after we were supposed to start. Yeah, something like that. Welcome to the other 167. [00:11:12] Speaker A: Yes. [00:11:13] Speaker C: Jarrett, Ben, Kenny. Missing Brandon. Back at it a while. Ms. Brandon the last few times. [00:11:18] Speaker B: Yeah, I've been working a lot. Working. [00:11:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:20] Speaker B: He has to finish a job. [00:11:24] Speaker B: He might be done by that by now. [00:11:26] Speaker A: I think he's about done with that one. [00:11:27] Speaker C: I don't want to forget to tell the story. I told you this Wednesday we're playing golf. But I. I want to tell this podcast, too. The story about Gabe calling me out on the. It's tough when your kids call you out on your sins. We were riding, riding home from picking Christian up one day last week, and some nuts tried to. He's. He's done one of these little weave jobs right where they're just weaving in and out of traffic. And he's about hit me in the back, went around me and then about hit me in front and I was hot and I. I shouldn't have Been quite so mad, but I'm just ranting and raving and, you know, not really doing anything to the guy, but talking in the car about it a lot. And we get to the stoplight. [00:12:07] Speaker A: Now all this work and you right beside him. [00:12:09] Speaker C: He still, he got stuck right in front of me. He never got more than five feet in front of me after he passed me. Yeah, he turns, gets into the turning lane and as I pass him, I roll my window down, just threw my hand out the window. And Gabe looked at me without missing a beat. Gabe said, dad, was that necessary? [00:12:28] Speaker A: No, it wasn't. [00:12:29] Speaker C: Yes, believe me, I feel a little better. He thought I gave him the finger though, that's why he was more upset. I said, no. I said, I just threw my hand at him. It wasn't that, but. [00:12:38] Speaker A: But as they get older, they start catching more. He said, man. [00:12:42] Speaker C: He said, dad, was that necessary? That was, that was humbling. So very humble. [00:12:48] Speaker A: Oh, man. [00:12:49] Speaker C: So I've been waiting on, on you to get to John 6. [00:12:54] Speaker B: No. [00:12:54] Speaker C: When are we going to get to Johnson? I know it's Christmas. [00:12:56] Speaker A: After Christmas. [00:12:57] Speaker C: After Christmas. Okay, so you. [00:12:58] Speaker A: Paul's January 4th. [00:13:01] Speaker C: Okay, so is there a, like a preset talent or holiday calendar of sermons? Basically this was Advent. So do you always have a certain. [00:13:10] Speaker A: No, that's a great question. Now there are some like Methodists and whatnot that they have a pretty much here's what you're going to teach and here's what you do. Some of those do that. Now you're free to go away from that. It's called the Lectionary. We don't. What I do is. And there's the thing, I've always felt like, well, you got to do four sermons at Christmas. Well, you don't have to. So what I do is I sit down and really map out where we're going to go. Just get along with the Lord and okay, here's a text, here's a couple of sermon topics I'm going to be looking at doing in the upcoming weeks or months. And so what I do is then sit down with the, with the calendar and put out there, you know, Mother's Day, Memorial Day, Christmas, and kind of line up where the days are and then, okay, here's a six week spot. Is any of these going to be a six week study or do I feel like we need to go verse by verse through Colossians? If I feel like the Lord's leading us there, then what we do is just we're going to put everything and we'll just. When we come back, we'll take a break from Colossians for Christmas, come right back, you know, that kind of thing. [00:14:23] Speaker C: So. [00:14:24] Speaker A: So it really does go by the. The holiday slash, if we've got big events coming up in the church, that kind of thing. And you line it up according to that. [00:14:34] Speaker C: Gotcha. [00:14:35] Speaker A: So originally we were supposed to be sort of close to done with John, but we've had. We've had too much good stuff. [00:14:42] Speaker C: I mean, you take three parts for. [00:14:44] Speaker A: Three parts for chapter one, which one through 18. That's going to take a while. And it's just, you know, and look, ain't no need to stay there all day. I do not feel the need to stay there much past. And I. Look, your brain's only going to take in as much as your rear end and your hips allow you to. [00:15:05] Speaker C: Well, John six has a lot of deep stuff in it that I've had. [00:15:09] Speaker B: A lot of questions. [00:15:09] Speaker A: I thought, well, I'm kind of glad it's after Christmas. No, I think it's. Go ahead and let's talk about it because that'll help me in sermon prep for January 4th. So if you've got some deep questions, because it is one of those that I believe John six is. Well, I think there's a reason when you get to John 6, 66, and it says many of his disciples basically peeled away from him, goes, wait a minute, this is way too much than what I imagined. So this is not. I'll put it this way, this is not Jesus trying to win numbers. Yeah. This is Jesus saying, this is what discipleship is. [00:15:47] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, one of the things. The. The question I have for today is actually from the commentary, I guess I want to see what your. What I want to hear your commentary on the commentary. [00:15:58] Speaker A: Okay. [00:16:00] Speaker C: One, because we talked about this, I think a couple shows ago, we just kind of touched on free will. And free will not technically being in the Bible of words necessarily, but this was something. This is referencing 644. No man could come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. But the commentary says Scripture indicates that no free will exists in man's nature, for man is enslaved to sin and unable to believe apart from God's empowerment. [00:16:29] Speaker A: So very much a Calvinistic. Who's your. Is that MacArthur. [00:16:33] Speaker C: MacArthur, yeah. And that's. And I wanted to be careful about bringing it up because I don't want to turn it into a really deep wormhole. But that is something that is almost a paradox in a way, to me of. Okay. I understand. We. No man can come to Jesus unless he's drawn by the Father, unless the Spirit draws him. But that. I can, I guess, use that as an excuse or justification for Calvinistic, you. [00:17:01] Speaker A: Know, a lot of stuff. Yeah. [00:17:03] Speaker C: But at the same time, I don't. Maybe it's just. I don't. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean it's not true. But this idea that we're all, you know, select and chosen and predestined. I think you said maybe before that. That can lead to quite a bit. [00:17:21] Speaker A: Well, it leads to a lot of pride. A lot of pride, arrogance and. And if you'll listen to. And no, no offense. Look, I love John MacArthur. I love his commentaries. I love him. I listen to a lot of his sermons at the same time. You have to. You have to take it with a grain of salt because if you listen, underneath there is kind of a. I don't know, it just leads to a haughtiness or a. I think it's just looking down on others, but I really have to just say, okay, yeah. And oftentimes they don't even know it. That's the thing is, I've pointed it out to some of my friends that I know are. You're arrogant in that, and you act it. And they, you know, they. They don't see it as that way. Well, we're just. We can't help it. We're chosen. But what's the. [00:18:06] Speaker C: What's the flip side to it, then? Because it's. I wrestle with that concept a little bit sometimes. It's like if I am part of the, you know, I just. [00:18:17] Speaker A: What? [00:18:18] Speaker C: I just got lucky that God chose me. I mean, you know, and now it is grace. It is grace. [00:18:23] Speaker A: Let's think about it, right? [00:18:25] Speaker C: I don't like to let it, you know, take me to a place where I start to feel like, oh, I'm. I'm part of. I'm part. [00:18:32] Speaker A: Yeah, you got on the team. [00:18:33] Speaker C: I always feel the opposite. You know, in a way, it's like, well, why. Why me and not these other people? You know, that kind of. I almost feel if we are going down the path of saying, okay, yeah, it's all predestined and, you know, nobody really has free will. [00:18:45] Speaker A: It should be hunting. Yeah, it should be. [00:18:48] Speaker C: Should be. And I feel kind of look, you know, look at people who are lost, think I feel bad for them. They didn't. They didn't get on the list. [00:18:56] Speaker A: Right. [00:18:57] Speaker C: You know, but. But what's the flip side to that argument, I guess. [00:19:02] Speaker A: Or what? [00:19:03] Speaker B: What? [00:19:03] Speaker C: Or what is it? What are the scripture? [00:19:04] Speaker B: That's. [00:19:05] Speaker C: That would. [00:19:05] Speaker A: Where's the truth? [00:19:06] Speaker C: Yeah, there you go. [00:19:08] Speaker A: All the Calvinists that listen out there, just chill out because I'm telling you, you say, you make a joke like that, boy, they. I'm telling you, they. I've noticed something else about them. They just don't have much of a sense of humor or any kind of joy. I'm. I'm just. Sorry, I just. I'm gonn. I think the truth is. Yeah, I buy wholeheartedly into John 6:44. Unless the Spirit of God begins to work and awaken my heart to the truth, I'm not gonna respond to the gospel. So it is the Spirit's work that enlightens, illumines, it helps us to see the truth because we are spiritually dead. Ephesians 2. But I also want to say this. I believe the Holy Spirit will begin to enlighten and work in a person's heart. But that person has a choice to either reject or accept. I mean, I firmly believe that. Because if I don't have a choice, then I'm nothing but a robot. And why make me anyway? If I don't have a choice to choose or if I'm going to be. I don't know, I just. I don't. To me, that's more of a. I don't know how to put it. But if I. If I don't even have a choice in the matter. Okay. That's forced love. [00:20:19] Speaker C: Young. [00:20:19] Speaker A: I'd rather you choose to love me. [00:20:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:20:22] Speaker A: My wife. I'd rather she choose to love me rather than. I got to. [00:20:26] Speaker B: Yeah. So. And I actually agree. [00:20:30] Speaker A: Well, thank you. [00:20:31] Speaker B: Well, I mean. [00:20:32] Speaker A: I mean, that's breaking out the seal of approval early in this is that or it's not. [00:20:38] Speaker B: It's like it's either this or that. I think it's a combination of both. [00:20:42] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. [00:20:43] Speaker B: I don't think it's just you're predetermined or that you don't have a choice. I think you have a choice, but God has to move. Both of them have to work together. [00:20:53] Speaker A: Right. [00:20:53] Speaker B: That's that. [00:20:54] Speaker A: And I know there are passages. [00:20:56] Speaker B: I'm not really hung up on that. [00:20:57] Speaker A: And I get the whole idea of, you know, predestined before the dawning of time, but that also has to do with what his will is, that we would be conformed to the image of his Son, you know, you know, whosoever will come chosen before the foundation of the Earth, I get that. At the same time, it is in the sovereignty of God and I'm going to leave it it there. But I know that in my own heart that you can say, oh, you didn't have a choice. No, I made a choice. I remember. [00:21:26] Speaker B: I remember making. [00:21:27] Speaker A: And so I, you know, you can say, well, no, you didn't really have a choice. Well, dog on it sure felt like I did. [00:21:33] Speaker C: Well, you know, on one hand, you could have a catch 22 here in a way that can lead to pride one way or the other. Because if you didn't have a say in the matter, if it was all predestined, well, then you really don't have anything to be proud of. It was just God chose you. You're on the list. Lucky you. You didn't have any. [00:21:52] Speaker A: But I'm on the list. [00:21:53] Speaker C: Right. [00:21:53] Speaker A: But that's where I comes in. [00:21:55] Speaker C: You can, you can have pride from the. Ooh, I'm on the list. [00:21:57] Speaker A: Right. [00:21:58] Speaker C: At the same time, though, if it's not be correct, you shouldn't. [00:22:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:03] Speaker C: But at the same time, if it's not the father who draws you, well, then now you can get. You can take a little bit of pride and look what I made the right choice. And start to pat yourself on the back for doing what you needed to get your salvation. So I see both sides of it, you know, in a way, I guess. And I see the downside to both sides, I guess. Oh, yeah, I can come in from both sides. [00:22:25] Speaker A: Yeah, pride can come in from both. But. But, yeah, I've noticed it in way too many. Way too many folks that, man, it's just kind of a. I don't know, just a haughtiness, if you will. [00:22:38] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:22:39] Speaker A: Of Hubert. Hubris. [00:22:42] Speaker C: Just I think of the Kris Kristofferson song why Me Lord? [00:22:45] Speaker A: Right. [00:22:46] Speaker C: That. That kind of comes to mind with that. You know, what if. If I am part of the elect. [00:22:51] Speaker A: What. [00:22:52] Speaker C: I certainly didn't do anything to deserve that, you know, so what. But it also, like I said, it kind of makes you feel. There's somebody that I've talked to a few weeks ago that, you know, been around church their whole life, not really, you know, strong faith right now. And they made the comment, you know, I hope that if there. I think it was like, if there is a God, I hope he gives me credit for at least seeking and that I tried. I just never really found him. And, you know, you can get into. There's a lot of ways people. Because I. I'm sure there are other people Plenty of people who have gone to church, read the Bible and then not found true faith from that. There's pride, I'm sure, comes into play a lot into those situations. There's a lot of, you know, ways that that could happen, I guess, but not every. Just because you pick up the Bible doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to be saved. Doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to. That the Spirit's going to move in your life. That is just the grace of God. The Bible says, you will find me when you seek me with your whole heart. So you can seek and you'll find me. Why some people seek and don't find, and others seek and do find. What's the difference? Is that just the spirit of God does it. The divine election, what's the difference? [00:24:08] Speaker A: No, I think it all goes back to. I'm going to hold on to that promise that it's the whole heart thing. I think some people say, oh, yeah, I wholeheartedly sought the Lord. I went to church once a month, or I went once a quarter. Let's define the whole heart. And that's the thing is we think, oh, man, we are all in. When are you really. I mean, I think that's the thing is our terms. When we. When we begin to define the terms of what it means to be wholehearted, you might find out that it might not be the same thing that was intended with the text. Because there are some folks that they would say, oh, man, I did the Jesus thing, you know, I went to church, you know, once in a while, or I did this, or, you know, I tried to read a verse a night. Well, come on, man. Is that really wholehearted? I mean, so I. I think it's one of. Again, I'm gonna hold on to what. What the word says and go from there. [00:25:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:05] Speaker A: You agreeing again? [00:25:06] Speaker B: I agree again. [00:25:07] Speaker C: Well, we're on a roll today, Ben. I mean, you can't miss. [00:25:13] Speaker A: I'm telling you. And. And What? We only 20 minutes in, man. Golly, we need that break. We got a Thanksgiving break. Go ahead. I'm sorry. [00:25:22] Speaker B: No, I was just thinking that I don't really understand the predestination. [00:25:30] Speaker B: I don't see it in the Bible. I should say that I see part of it, but I see that you're just on the list. [00:25:37] Speaker A: I mean, yeah, I can see that. All right. I can see where you can get verses and take it from there, but I also can see verses from the other side. And that's where, again, form your Theology based on the whole council, not just okay, I'm going to pick and choose John 6:44. I'm also going to look. Look at other places. Cause the other side is. Cause Calvinism is going to say, okay, you don't have a choice and you can't lose your salvation. I get that. [00:26:02] Speaker B: I get part of that. [00:26:03] Speaker A: Now the other part of the other side is going to be, yes, you can lose your salvation. So that would be Hebrews 6 and everything else. [00:26:12] Speaker A: By grace, through faith you've been saved, not works. Lest anyone should boast. If anyone calls on the name of the Lord, he will be saved. Wait a minute. I thought it had to be the Spirit of God, not just anybody calling. So you could almost take that to be anybody does it. Well, and again, remember, salvation is the Holy Spirit's business, not mine. I'm just a worker in the field, but I need to be obedient and all I need to do is sow the seed, so to speak, and let the Holy Spirit. I come to a long time ago being at peace with this argument because I was willing to say God, that's your business. How you do it, I don't care, you do it. And I'm thankful and leave it at that. [00:26:56] Speaker B: Sometimes we have. We try and put parameters on things. [00:26:59] Speaker A: Well, it's that choice, you know, and we feel like we got to define it and you know, said all this theological. [00:27:06] Speaker B: And it's got to be for everybody. [00:27:08] Speaker A: Yep. [00:27:08] Speaker B: But you know, I've come to the conclusion that it's not. There's a lot of things. I know the black and white. [00:27:14] Speaker A: Mm. [00:27:15] Speaker B: Salvation is not a black and white in our minds. It is with God. And I say that is. Yes, some people think they're saved, but they're not. [00:27:24] Speaker A: But that's his. [00:27:25] Speaker B: But they went down the aisle. Yeah, okay. [00:27:27] Speaker C: That's right. [00:27:28] Speaker B: But you don't see them for five years. They come down again. Or I'm just saying. [00:27:34] Speaker A: And all that is, you know, again, some people think they're saved. You're exactly right. But they bought into a false dichotomy of how to be safe. [00:27:43] Speaker B: Well, everybody's in this things. They're a good person. They're going to go to heaven. You know, some use Christianity. And I, when I say that I'm not talking about the. I'm just talking about people that are not really involved in church. Not really involved. [00:27:59] Speaker C: Not right. [00:27:59] Speaker A: The world. [00:28:00] Speaker B: Yeah. But for the most part, everybody thinks they're going to heaven or at least wants to. [00:28:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:07] Speaker B: You know, and I See it, I see it. I see it every day near about on tv. You know, these people are giving things away because they think if I give this away, I'll have a better position in heaven. I hate to think about what's going to really happen to them. You know what I'm saying? [00:28:26] Speaker A: Well, I mean that's Matthew 7. [00:28:30] Speaker A: Didn't we prophesy in your name? Didn't we do all these things in your name? And he's going to say depart from me. I never knew you. [00:28:36] Speaker B: But that's talking about. I know what you're talking about but. [00:28:39] Speaker A: That'S people thinking they're saying. [00:28:40] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, that's people that most people think that's people that are in the church. That's where the. Where people say you can lose your salvation. [00:28:48] Speaker A: Right. But. But it also is one. [00:28:50] Speaker B: Well, I like what you say it. It means the whole world. Yeah, I did this, I did that, I did this, I did that. So it's not I went to Sunday school is I gave my fortune away before I passed away, you know. Yeah. [00:29:02] Speaker A: Or I mean he talks about some things in there that man. I mean we cast out demons in your name. We. I mean there's some things that okay, people did that were good works but. [00:29:13] Speaker B: What did domination believe? And I'm going to. This is very loosely. Once saved, always saved or no, you can't lose your salvation if you got. [00:29:22] Speaker A: Well, I mean Southern Baptists would hold. [00:29:25] Speaker B: Baptist do what other ones. [00:29:32] Speaker A: I'm trying to think if I would even classify some of them as I would think most of the ones would be. Yeah. I mean that's kind of a Baptist doctrine more than anything else. I'm sure the Methodists, some of the Methodists would do it but I'm. I don't know that they would hold. [00:29:47] Speaker B: To it all that much because I know the simile is God divine right. [00:29:52] Speaker A: No. [00:29:54] Speaker B: Yes. [00:29:55] Speaker A: They do not believe that free will Baptists do not. [00:29:58] Speaker B: Okay. [00:30:00] Speaker B: So what's then I guess this is a question that kind of puzzles me. Why just only the Baptist believe that. Well, I'm not talking about Canada as a certified. Well, I know that but why because why is it. Why is that? Are they the elected or they seen all the light? [00:30:20] Speaker A: Man, I'm about to say something that. [00:30:22] Speaker B: We kind of had. [00:30:24] Speaker A: I don't know if I this the right way or not. You know what is the old saying? I've search the world over thought I found true love. I think if you look at I've searched the world over of everybody's Theology. [00:30:37] Speaker B: Okay. [00:30:38] Speaker A: And the Baptists get it about right. It comes. When it comes to the scripture, the word of God. They get it right. [00:30:44] Speaker B: I think the Baptist minister. The word of God. [00:30:49] Speaker A: That's. [00:30:50] Speaker B: It is pretty much, you know, bullet on. [00:30:53] Speaker A: We try to. We try to stay by it. [00:30:55] Speaker B: Yes. [00:30:56] Speaker A: And that's where we build our doctrine. So that's why, you know. [00:30:59] Speaker B: But there's got to be some other denominations that do that. [00:31:03] Speaker A: I think they kind of sort of started. I think they all sort of started that way, but over time, like the method, they start peeling away. [00:31:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:11] Speaker A: And that's why I would say to me, the Southern Baptists have. Have stayed by the. [00:31:17] Speaker B: What about the Northern Baptist? [00:31:19] Speaker A: Well. [00:31:20] Speaker B: Or what is that? I mean, when you say Southern Baptist, you just. [00:31:24] Speaker A: You don't have. There's some that are Northern Baptist, but there's very few churches now. [00:31:28] Speaker C: Well, you have Free Will Baptist. You have Southern Baptist and First Baptist. Or is that another First Baptist, kind. [00:31:34] Speaker A: Of, I guess, name it. Well, I meant, what do you call American Baptist. [00:31:39] Speaker B: What do you call people in the North Baptist? [00:31:41] Speaker C: What are they? [00:31:41] Speaker A: Well, I mean, they became America. I think this is. The American Baptist is another organization. I think that's where they got. They became that. [00:31:48] Speaker B: What's the big church in. In the North? I mean, I don't know. [00:31:52] Speaker A: Catholicism. [00:31:54] Speaker A: I mean, honestly. [00:31:56] Speaker B: And that's. Yeah, that's strange, because that's where this country pretty much started. Well, not all of them. I mean, Virginia, too. [00:32:05] Speaker C: Well, on the flip side of the losing your salvation argument, and I don't. Gabe asked me this the other day. I don't know. I don't know which denominations do and don't. But I think there are some that believe that if you're baptized, you automatically go to heaven. That's why Gabe asked me why they baptized babies. I said, well, some faiths baptize babies, I guess, because they think if you baptize, you go to heaven. So they figure, we'll go ahead and baptize everybody. So we'll all go to heaven. [00:32:31] Speaker A: Yeah. And then do confirmation. [00:32:32] Speaker C: And there are people that I know have said, you know, I was baptized as a. As a baby, so I'm going to heaven even though I don't believe in God, if there is one, I'll go. I'll still get to go because I was baptized. [00:32:42] Speaker B: Well, baptism don't do anything. [00:32:44] Speaker C: Right, right. But there. But are there denominations through Belgium? [00:32:47] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, there's many. Catholic Church of Christ would say, unless you're baptized, you believe. Yes. But then you got to Be baptized or Acts 2:38 is the verse. They stand on it, repent and be baptized. [00:33:02] Speaker C: And what do they say to the thief on the cross? [00:33:05] Speaker A: Well, there's grace in special situations. [00:33:08] Speaker C: Okay. [00:33:08] Speaker A: The ultimate. [00:33:10] Speaker C: Whenever you start having to say in special circumstances, you're probably wrong. [00:33:14] Speaker A: Well, I feel like I'm a special circumstance. Well, no, you. You're not dying or something like that. And so, yeah, and that's my argument, is because they'll say, well, there's grace for certain things like that. And I said, no, it's grace period. It's not just for that. It's by grace through faith. I've been saved. Not works. At the same time, I do want to be baptized. You should want to be baptized as a act of obedience, but not as a requirement for salvation. So, yeah, when you begin. And look, here's the thing. It's hard to paint a. A broad stroke with everybody and say, well, this is what the Catholics believe when there's some that may not. I mean, look, I was at a. I don't know if they were Southern Baptists or not, but I was at a church recently that I would think it would be. I think it's fair to say they would be fairly liberal in the scope of where they fall on every issue known to man or known to Baptists. And they called themselves Baptists. And I'm kind of like, I don't know any Baptists like this. [00:34:18] Speaker A: I don't know how many people they got there, but probably. Probably in the city they're in, probably a lot. [00:34:23] Speaker B: Let me ask you a question real quick, because you're talking. We're talking about baptism. [00:34:29] Speaker B: Matthew, Mark 16:16. Okay, I'm going to read it first. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. But he that believeth not shall be damned. I think Ann is Baptized was a footnote that was added. You might not even have it, because. [00:34:47] Speaker A: I don't think if I do have it, it'll be in parentheses. Yeah, I'm showing that it wasn't. Showing that it wasn't. [00:34:55] Speaker B: It didn't. [00:34:56] Speaker A: In parentheses. And mine's pretty good. I wish I had my 95, but this one's pretty good about doing it, too. [00:35:01] Speaker C: Which verse? [00:35:02] Speaker B: I mean, what's it. What's it say in yours? [00:35:08] Speaker A: It says, the one who has believed and has been baptized will be saved. Now, is that baptism of the Spirit. [00:35:16] Speaker B: Or baptism of water, or is that last chapter Mark not part of the original? [00:35:22] Speaker A: Yeah, I think the whole night. Well, let me see what it says here. Later manuscripts add verses 9 through 20. [00:35:30] Speaker B: So, I mean, that's. I know, I know that's not a good example because I don't know if that's in there. But it's not. It's not necessarily saying that any. Any doctrine. New doctrine. Right. But I. I've always. [00:35:45] Speaker A: Not in regard to all the other. [00:35:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:48] Speaker A: Text. I had somebody ask me a question last night. Got an A text from a friend that was asking me why. Why in verse 21 in my Bible. [00:35:59] Speaker B: Which one? [00:36:00] Speaker A: I have to look it up. It was John something. But anyway, it was the verse where Jesus casts out the demon out of a man and he says, this kind only comes out by prayer fast. [00:36:14] Speaker B: He's not in there. [00:36:15] Speaker A: Yep. And he. No, the whole verse 21. [00:36:18] Speaker B: Okay. The whole verse. [00:36:19] Speaker A: And I told him, I said, well, they're using an older manuscript. And I said, you should have it. And it should be in parentheses is the way it probably should be. His had nothing. [00:36:27] Speaker B: Okay. So, yeah, I mean, that's what it was. And I don't know if that was added to or if that was a note. [00:36:35] Speaker A: And I told him, I said, no, it probably was ascribed. [00:36:37] Speaker B: It added it. That's what. Yeah. [00:36:39] Speaker C: So the MacArthur for 16, mark 16, it has a pretty long note from verses 9 through 20 that basically says the external evidence strongly supports these verses were not originally part of Mark's gospel. And then it goes in to explain why. And pretty much. [00:36:59] Speaker C: I don't want to say he says, take it with a grain of salt, but it's essentially, these verses are probably not part of the original manuscript, but here's the reason that it was added and where it came from and all that kind of stuff. So I don't know if that's. [00:37:11] Speaker A: Usually it's a scribe that added it or something got added later on. And you. You can usually find out about where it was because if you find an older manuscript that has it. Okay, now, yeah, we got. Now we're talking. But. But you don't. I mean, that's the thing. [00:37:26] Speaker C: So what I highlighted, it says verses 9 through 20 should always be compared with the rest of Scripture, and no doctrine should be formulated based solely on them. In spite of all the considerations of the likely reliable unreliability of the section, it is possible to be wrong on the issue. And thus it is good to consider the meaning of this passage within and leave it in the text. Just. Just as with John 7:53 through 8:11. [00:37:48] Speaker B: Well, see, that baptized could be water, or it could be baptized in the Holy Spirit. [00:37:52] Speaker A: Sure. I think it's also one of. And I know it's kind of a. I hate to say it's all of a catch all or. Okay, you can always throw that one up. Okay. It seems to be added later on, but it was. And that's. And that's legit. Okay. Let's not, let's not count that as. Or read it. It's good. But at the same time, don't build all your whole doctrine. [00:38:15] Speaker B: Yeah. This part might have been written by somebody that had. [00:38:17] Speaker A: Take the whole. [00:38:18] Speaker B: That has that doctrine in mind. Yeah, it was thought that way, but yeah. When did it appear on your Bible? [00:38:25] Speaker A: What Mark 16. [00:38:26] Speaker B: You know, that whole. [00:38:27] Speaker A: I'm not sure which. Which manuscript it was, but it was usually it's the one that the new King James or King James. [00:38:35] Speaker B: Yeah, well, the King James was written by manuscripts. I think they were at. The oldest was in 900 AD. [00:38:43] Speaker C: Okay, that's the King James. [00:38:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:45] Speaker C: So when did we find the ones dating Back to like 100 AD? [00:38:49] Speaker A: That was dead Sea Scrolls. [00:38:51] Speaker C: That was Dead Sea Scroll. So that wasn't found until what, like the 50s? [00:38:54] Speaker A: No, there was some. I mean they've had. [00:38:56] Speaker B: They still look at them. [00:38:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean they've had manuscripts that were. I think the, the earliest we had was. I think it was earlier than that. It's just like I said, we were, we were behind in getting it trans. Translated to Latin to English too. So. [00:39:12] Speaker C: But that's something that can be a little bit. [00:39:17] Speaker C: I don't know if confusion is quite the right word. But you can. Let's say that right now the, the earliest that we found, let's. Let's say in 1500 somebody found something from 500. Okay. And then in 1900 we find something from 200. So when you say the earlier manuscript, sometimes the later we go in time, the earlier we're going back. So it's actually the, there's the, I think misconception maybe that, you know, well over 2000 years of trans. Of translating the lot gets lost in translation. Well, no, as time goes by, we're getting closer and closer to the original and not further and further from it. So. [00:39:54] Speaker B: Well, if you put them all together and one of them says horse. [00:40:00] Speaker B: Jesus wrote in that Jerusalem on a horse. Nine says donkey. Which one are you going to use? I'm going with the donkey. That's how we can get back to what the original wording is, the process of elimination. [00:40:16] Speaker C: Another one of the verses that I've highlighted from John 6 that kind of ties in what we were talking about is 37 through 40. All that the Father gives me will come to me. And the one who comes to me I certainly will not cast out. For I've come down from heaven not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. This is the will of him who sent me. That all that he has given me, I lose nothing but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in him will have eternal life. And I myself will raise him up on the last day. There's a whole lot of stuff in there. [00:40:51] Speaker B: What verse was that? [00:40:52] Speaker A: He's saying a whole lot. [00:40:54] Speaker C: Yeah, he's saying a lot. [00:40:56] Speaker B: John 3:16 rewritten. Yeah, a lot of that. I said that's John 3:16 written a different way. [00:41:04] Speaker A: Well, and I think it's one of. He also, you know, earlier on he's talking about. And I think it may be earlier on, or either in that passage he's also going to talk about, I'm here to do the works of my Father. [00:41:16] Speaker C: There's a lot of that in John 6. [00:41:18] Speaker A: And I think that's the whole thing he's got to keep in mind is as you're looking at John 6 is okay, these are folks who have seen Jesus do something that is totally mind boggling. He fed how many people with just a little boy's lunch. And he knows they're wanting to make him king. And he also knows that and why he came. And my work is to do what the Father sent me to do. And this is the work that people might be saved, not fed. And then he's also wanting to get to the point of helping them to see, I'm the bread of life. You know, I'm the, I'm instead of looking for the bread physical, look for the spiritual. And I think that's where Jesus is helping them to see that. No, my deliverance or my ministry is not necessarily just to do physical stuff. And it's definitely not to free you from Roman oppression. It's a spiritual deliverance. And that's where it starts getting hard when he begins to say, if you don't eat of my flesh and take of my blood, you can't be saved. Well, you know, what is he accountable? You know, that's where the people are. But he is, he. He is talking on five levels, deeper than they've even thought about doing. And I think, and I don't know, there are times when I'm like, oh, is Jesus trying To push people away. [00:42:41] Speaker C: Well, I'm thinking there are some times where he did kind of speak in ways that would. I can't remember exactly where. Where I'm pulling from, but basically he said it in ways that they couldn't understand so that they would. And this is. Gets a little confused. Basically it was to spare them from further condemnation, judgment, because the better it was like the more he explained it to him, the, the less excuse they had. [00:43:08] Speaker A: Well, to whom much is given, much is expected. Yeah. And I think it's also one of, you know, I do believe you're going to be judged based on your knowledge, what you had, what you received, that kind of thing. And that's why again, to whom much is given, much is expected. [00:43:23] Speaker B: I mean, what yourself. I mean, what I'm hearing you say, when you say be judged on the. The hardened criminal might not burn as much as the person that was in church every day that heard the gospel but never repented. [00:43:39] Speaker A: Still going to. Still going to spend eternity. [00:43:41] Speaker B: So both of them. Yes. Yeah. [00:43:43] Speaker A: But I do. [00:43:44] Speaker B: I don't know what that means. [00:43:46] Speaker A: Yeah, the judgment. I don't think the judgment will be as harsh. Now that's. Yeah, I think there's going to be different levels of. I don't know, but I don't think there is going to be different levels of. Okay. You're only on level 10. But oh, this guy over here, he is the worst of the worst. Heard the gospel every day and still went out and murdered people. He's going to be level 45 of hell. [00:44:06] Speaker B: Oh, you don't believe in that? [00:44:07] Speaker A: Well, I don't. I don't know that I buy that. I don't know that I have enough evidence. [00:44:11] Speaker B: Right. Yeah, you. I don't. [00:44:14] Speaker A: To me, hell is hell. Yeah. I don't know that there's levels. [00:44:17] Speaker B: Well, hell is without God. [00:44:18] Speaker A: Yeah. So I don't know that there's levels. I mean, that's. If you can show it to me, I'll buy it. [00:44:24] Speaker B: He just mentions it a few times. It's not like he. I mean, I'm not sure exactly what he is talking about. Like you said, there's not a level. Or just mentions heaven of the levels. [00:44:35] Speaker A: Okay. [00:44:38] Speaker B: No, no, I'm saying a few times that they were a couple of times where he says they've been better off. These guys will be better off in hell than. [00:44:48] Speaker A: Right. [00:44:49] Speaker B: I don't know what that really means. Right. [00:44:51] Speaker A: I don't know that there's teachings, just. [00:44:53] Speaker B: Not nothing outside of what he's saying that he Mentions that. [00:44:57] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know. [00:44:58] Speaker B: I don't know if he mentioned it once or twice. He might have mentioned it's still not enough. [00:45:01] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know that that's teaching levels. And if it's levels, can I work my way up? [00:45:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:07] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't. I don't know that it teaches that. [00:45:10] Speaker B: I don't think. [00:45:11] Speaker A: I just think hell's hell. [00:45:13] Speaker B: I do, too. I mean, it doesn't matter what. [00:45:16] Speaker A: For a certain amount of time. It's not like, okay, you only did 45 bad things. You guys spend 45 years there, and then maybe you. There's no. There's no second chance. [00:45:26] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, well, Roman screws that up, you only do one thing. You are condemned. [00:45:33] Speaker A: You're guilty. Condemned. [00:45:34] Speaker B: Paul made that very clear. [00:45:38] Speaker A: But there's no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. [00:45:41] Speaker B: Yes. [00:45:43] Speaker B: And. [00:45:43] Speaker A: And here's the thing. I mean, we're. We're talking judgment of those that are lost. But then there's also. I do believe there's rewards, and I don't know that I'd say levels in heaven as much as rewards. [00:45:54] Speaker B: I just don't know. I don't have enough info to understand what I have. [00:46:00] Speaker B: Am I going to be serving you? You, sir, Are you going to be over a whole, you know. [00:46:07] Speaker C: People? [00:46:07] Speaker A: I don't know, Are you taking from the parable of talents for that? [00:46:10] Speaker B: No, no. I'm just saying, you know, there's different rewards. I don't even know what that means. [00:46:15] Speaker A: Well, I mean, look, I'll put it this way. I would not have many of you be. Many of you be teachers, brethren, because you encourage stricter judgment. All right, that. That tells me that there is a little bit more of a reward system slash stricter judgment. I'm not saying there's levels, but I do believe there's going to be a more harsh judgment for those that are teachers. [00:46:38] Speaker B: But what does that mean? I don't know what that really means. Yeah, I don't know what. [00:46:41] Speaker A: No, I think it means that we're going to answer for what we teach. [00:46:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:46:44] Speaker A: I think it means that we will be held accountable. I think it also means that, okay, God holds you at a different place than he holds other people at a different level. Yeah, but now, reward wise, I don't know. You live on the east side of heaven, I live on the west side of heaven. I don't know. I don't know that there's going to be that. Or you have a beachfront place, and I've got You know, I'm in Durham. [00:47:08] Speaker B: I live on the good side of the railroad tracks and you live on the other side. [00:47:13] Speaker A: You know. [00:47:16] Speaker C: That'S something. [00:47:17] Speaker A: I need to pick our cities. I need to like, pick like Omaha. [00:47:23] Speaker B: But I just don't know. I wish I, I knew more. I wonder if Paul even knew when he was right. Well, I mean, that's something that I've always wondered. Did Paul really understand everything he wrote? [00:47:35] Speaker A: I think, I think in a way he did. I mean, Paul saw some, some things that we never, never dream of. When he talks about. I know someone that went to the third level level of heaven. I think brother, brother saw some stuff and knew some stuff. And that's why Peter says, man, his writings are so weighty and yeah, who can understand them sometimes? [00:47:55] Speaker B: But I agree with him. [00:47:57] Speaker A: They're inspired, that God inspired them. So I don't know that. And trooping on, I'm not sure that Isaiah and all them totally understood everything that they prophesied about. So, yeah, I mean, who can understand everything about God, even, even parts that you may write. [00:48:16] Speaker A: Or let me put it this way, I write and I teach about things such as the Incarnation. I don't know that I can fully grasp my, my whole mind around that. The Trinity. Yeah, I don't know that I can fully grasp my whole. And totally get a total understanding of it. I know it' and I believe in it and I know how it works. But if I'm going to like, try to get into the inner difficulties and try to untangle all of it, man, no, I am not going to sit here with that kind of hubris and say, oh, yeah, that's easy, because the Trinity is. [00:48:50] Speaker C: One of the kids hit me with that one a lot. And I hate it when they ask me about the Trinity because I don't. A lot of times, like, even Ben says he doesn't. So don't you know how. [00:49:00] Speaker A: I mean, I can tell you and draw you a picture and try to help you to understand at the same time. There is just sometimes I'm like, okay, that's, that's, that's a touch there, that man. How, how exactly does that happen? [00:49:13] Speaker C: Very simple application to that. I want to get your comments on. I guess the kids asked me the other day. [00:49:22] Speaker C: Who, who exactly we supposed to pray to. I said, well, I said, I usually. I said, if you pray to God or you pray to Lord, it covers all the Holy Spirit. I said, but, you know, it's. I know people who pray to Jesus. You pray to the Father, I Think every time I've ever heard you pray, it's always Heavenly Father. I usually say dear Lord. [00:49:45] Speaker A: Right, right. [00:49:46] Speaker C: But I told kids, said, you know, when I said the Holy Spirit kind of gets the, gets left out on that. A lot of them praise to the Holy Spirit. [00:49:54] Speaker B: Well, there were some, but not then this denomination. [00:49:59] Speaker A: Then there are some that would. Yeah, there's some who make the Holy Spirit almost number one. [00:50:04] Speaker C: Well, and, and Gabe asked me. He said something Gabriel Reese once said. You know, when I'm praying, you know, I say thank you for sending Jesus to die. But if I am I praying to Jesus to say thank you for coming to die, that can become. Or thank you for what you did. Is there. I don't, I don't think there's a right or wrong to. Of who you. Who you pray to and who you're not. Jesus says in the Lord's Prayer, he prays to the Father, Father, when Jesus was praying, he always prayed to the Father. Now he couldn't pray to himself, I don't suppose. So is there a right or wrong person or right or wrong. [00:50:41] Speaker C: Name to pray to? [00:50:42] Speaker A: No, I. Go ahead. [00:50:45] Speaker B: I think it's in the heart. I know and I don't know why I do this because I guess I've been taught or not necessarily taught. [00:50:55] Speaker A: I've just heard it. [00:50:56] Speaker B: We all always pray to God in Jesus name. I know there's a scripture in there, you know, ask anything my name, it shall be done. But we always close with. I don't know why we do it, but we always close in Jesus name. [00:51:09] Speaker A: Because he said, ask anything in my. [00:51:11] Speaker B: Name and it will be. [00:51:13] Speaker A: Here's the way I look at it. I think to answer in Jesus name. Here's what I would say is, all right, you have God, he's the Father. All right. Jesus his Son makes it possible for me to know the Father. The Holy Spirit helps me to know Jesus and the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit moans and groans and helps me and assists me with praying. So Jesus is the one who did the work to make it possible for me to know the Father. So I'm always gonna pray to the Father through Jesus because that's my only hope. Because it was his blood that was shed that now I can approach the throne of grace and is what Hebrews says and thereby receive mercy and receive the daily supply of what I need understanding is the Holy Spirit. That one works in my heart that makes me want to pray. Works in my heart to know how to pray and helps me to know what to say and to take what I say and turn it into something better. So my prayer is always going to be focused on God through Jesus and the Holy Spirit helping me to do that. Now, the way I look at it also is, okay, I am made right with God through Jesus, who is God himself. And so I'm not necessarily praying to the Lord as much as man. I want to have that personal relationship with the Lord, seeking him, becoming more like him and understanding he was my sacrifice. And so, yeah, my worship time is going to be God. You're so gracious in sending Jesus and, you know, I do it through that because I believe the Holy Spirit's going to point to Jesus and Jesus is going to point to the Father. It's what I've always kind of put it as the. But the Holy Spirit is going to point to both of them because I don't think the Holy Spirit saying, look at me, look at me. I think he is the, I don't want to say the selfless one because the others aren't selfish, but he is the one that is saying, no, don't put it on me. Let's, let's focus on, on the glory. I don't know if that helps or makes it even more dark or opaque. [00:53:21] Speaker B: Well, but in Jesus name I've said it because it's just a habit for me to say. [00:53:30] Speaker B: I do it without thinking about it. Jesus name. Amen. [00:53:34] Speaker A: No, mine is. Well, I mean, we always do that. But I mean, there's a reason for it. And I think that's what it's the worker. He did the work. If it wasn't for his finish work on the cross, I don't, I don't, I don't even need to go into the Father's presence. [00:53:48] Speaker B: But I don't think in Jesus name he's going to answer a prayer like make me rich. [00:53:54] Speaker A: Right. [00:53:55] Speaker B: Yeah. That's stupid. [00:53:56] Speaker A: Yeah, but. But then again, you're not praying according to his heart and his will. [00:54:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:01] Speaker A: And I think Jesus, a lot of. [00:54:03] Speaker B: Us Christians, and I guess I'm, I'm going to include myself. A lot of us Christians get a lot of that stuff tangled up. Mixed up. [00:54:11] Speaker A: Yeah, sure. [00:54:11] Speaker B: In Jesus name it's easy to ask anything. My name is you'll be done. That sounds really. Yeah. [00:54:18] Speaker C: But if you're asking it in his name, saying I'm asking this in Jesus's name isn't what makes that isn't what makes it. [00:54:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:27] Speaker C: It's not a magic phrase that helps you. It's if you're at. If you're praying in his name, you would be praying according to his will. [00:54:33] Speaker B: That's right. [00:54:34] Speaker C: And if you're praying according to his will, then yes, it will be done. If you're praying according to your will and slapping in Jesus name on the end of it. Not very far. [00:54:43] Speaker B: Right. [00:54:44] Speaker C: Something that. No, we're all at point Ben agrees with. I agree. [00:54:52] Speaker A: That. Write that down. [00:54:54] Speaker B: I'll text her name. [00:54:55] Speaker A: Now. [00:54:57] Speaker A: He agreed with me one time. [00:54:59] Speaker C: Something about John six, and I can't even pull an exact verse necessarily say where this comes from. But there's been something as I was reading through John 6 that kind of the. It's the same story. I'm just maybe seeing it from a little bit different perspective. I've always kind of looked at it as, you know. [00:55:16] Speaker C: It'S almost counter to your point. Jesus and you said the Holy Spirit points to Jesus and to the Father, and Jesus is always going to point to the Father. But then when you look at things that you know, in. In the end, he's the king. Jesus is the king. Jesus is the one who's going to rule everything. God is giving that power to Jesus. And I've always kind of maybe been a little bit confused on it. Maybe I still am, but it's. I've always kind of looked at it as like, well, why is God giving it to Jesus? Why don't he just be in control? Why doesn't he? Why is the. Why is the Father not going to be the king? Why is it. But in the. [00:55:51] Speaker A: But. [00:55:52] Speaker C: But in the end of it all, Jesus is lord over, over every. Over everything. Not the Father. So is. He's working in concert with the Father's will. And he is the. I don't know that that all gets a little bit. [00:56:09] Speaker A: Yeah, I know in the end, Jesus. [00:56:11] Speaker C: Is the key figure of it. And one of the things that I've been. [00:56:16] Speaker A: So. So let me. Let me start you right there. [00:56:18] Speaker C: Go ahead. [00:56:19] Speaker A: All right, so you're exactly right because I. I don't disagree one bit. And my text for that would be Philippians 2, 5 through 11. [00:56:29] Speaker A: Have in you the same attitude, which was also in Christ Jesus, who humbled himself, made Himself nothing, took on the form of a servant, was obedient to the point of death, death on the cross. And then it says, therefore, since he's done this now God has exalted him. That is above every. His name is above every name. And that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Right. What's the next phrase? To the glory of God the Father. So yes, it is. Yes, Jesus is. And I think it's God saying, this is my greatest work. This is the greatest redemption, the greatest love story. This is who I am. It's in my son. And I think that's to the glory of God the Father. Even the exaltation and the. [00:57:26] Speaker A: Forever reigning of Christ is the work of God. So I don't know that I would say, okay, but in the end it's Jesus and Jesus only. No, it's all of them. Right. And again, that's the beauty of it. And that's also the mystery of. Okay, so now we got Father, Son and Spirit. Yeah. Where is the Spirit in all of this? A poor fellow. [00:57:46] Speaker C: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It felt like the Holy Spirit is like the forgotten, the odd man out. [00:57:52] Speaker A: But in reality, if you stop and think about it, he is the one that's doing the work now. [00:57:58] Speaker C: That's right. [00:57:59] Speaker A: And so, and working in us and through us and working. So I mean, yeah, he's, he's, he's a busy fellow. Yeah, busy guy. So. [00:58:09] Speaker C: And I think some of this does. We gotta be careful not to spend all this time on rabbit holes that are kind of trivial and all that. [00:58:16] Speaker B: Kind of. [00:58:17] Speaker A: And it's also, and also, if you begin to get down to Trinity, you begin to get into modalism. And that's, that's a, it's a hard thing. But I agree with you. I think it all goes back to. Look, all these things we've discussed today. We've discussed some heavy topics and trooping on. Okay, it's nice to know, it's nice to read and study at the same time. In my daily walk, man, I need to, I need to know what my. How to pray. I need to know that the Spirit's in me and I need to know how that impacts me. [00:58:50] Speaker C: Yeah, I do think though, there's, there's, there's a. [00:58:56] Speaker C: Way to get this wrong. On the opposite side though, sometimes we're, and I did this for like, for a really long time, focused so much on, on God, Lord, then kind of miss the Jesus part. [00:59:06] Speaker B: Right. [00:59:06] Speaker C: And there are plenty of religions that pray to a God. There are plenty of religions that, you know, basically they. [00:59:19] Speaker C: The only thing that they're missing is Jesus. Right. That's what I mean, that's, it's a big thing to miss. But there's. If you just, you see somebody that says, you know, thank God, that doesn't necessarily Say that they are a Christian. That could. There's a lot of different people that pray to a God think to, you. [00:59:35] Speaker B: Know. [00:59:37] Speaker C: That Jesus is an important. [00:59:41] Speaker C: I'm trying to. You can't just, you can't miss Jesus. He's the way. [00:59:47] Speaker A: Right? [00:59:47] Speaker C: So if I think that there are in, in TV and things like that, people don't censor out God so much. God is a concept to a lot of people. But Jesus boy, that's a hot button. That's a hot topic. That's one that's controversial. [01:00:01] Speaker A: He's the delineator. He's the one that, okay, you can talk about God. [01:00:06] Speaker C: You can talk about it. [01:00:07] Speaker A: And you know what? I don't even know that the public circle. Look, when you, when you go to pray at a state convention, they don't mind if you're going to say. I say state legislator. If you just say God, yeah, guide us. God help us. But as soon as you say Jesus. [01:00:23] Speaker C: Boy, that, that's when you start to ruffle. That's right. [01:00:27] Speaker A: Now you've, you've kind of brought it down to one particular religion. But then also that one particular religion says there is but one way. [01:00:35] Speaker C: That's right. [01:00:36] Speaker A: And I, and I hesitate. I think it's one of. We need to be careful too. Is okay, this concept of God. I get it. But not all religions are created equal. [01:00:47] Speaker C: Right. [01:00:48] Speaker A: For Hinduism, you got 33,000 gods. And I'm not convinced that any of those gods are like the God of scripture, nor do I believe that the God of. And this might get me canceled. I don't know. I ain't going to get canceled. But, but nor is the God of Allah, the God of Islam. That's not the same. They are not the same. I don't care what anybody says. No, they, they are nowhere near the same same. So they may think they are the same name. [01:01:20] Speaker C: Doesn't mean they have the same nature. Well, it's the same. [01:01:22] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, when you look at what the scriptures teach about the Father, you know, Elohim versus Allah, Jehovah. No, Jehovah and Allah are totally opposites. Yeah. [01:01:36] Speaker C: So one. I know we're. We got to be pushing on time. Do you have a meeting at 3 o' clock or is that a different day? [01:01:41] Speaker A: Yeah, we got a. [01:01:42] Speaker C: Okay. [01:01:42] Speaker B: I got a meeting sometime after this. Whenever. That's. [01:01:45] Speaker A: As soon as this is over, we're jumping in. [01:01:46] Speaker C: I did appreciate Sunday that you said that you for a long time skipped over Matthew. Oh, man, I'm glad I wasn't the Only one that did that. [01:01:54] Speaker A: Why read a bunch of names. But I mean it was. I did wrong. I was. [01:01:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:59] Speaker C: And that's you know, in a two minute summation I guess of that to. To what we were just talking about. Talk about the love of the Father. When you go through that genealogy and you think about all the. I love the way you said God saves and uses shady broken people. A lot of shady characters in that genealogy and all that's Joseph. [01:02:18] Speaker B: Right? [01:02:19] Speaker A: Joseph. CS Luke 3. It's kind of interesting does Mary's kind of from Mary's side and it goes back through some of the same. Well, it's got to be David and Abraham or you throw it out. [01:02:31] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:02:32] Speaker A: I mean you got to fulfill those covenants. [01:02:34] Speaker B: Mary's. That goes through name naming. Right, Right. [01:02:37] Speaker A: But it still goes through David and Abraham. [01:02:39] Speaker B: Both of them go through David. [01:02:41] Speaker A: You got to. If you go through David, you automatically go through Abraham. I reckon. [01:02:45] Speaker B: Yeah. The Naaman. [01:02:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:02:47] Speaker B: Is where it splits off. [01:02:49] Speaker A: But the fact that you have Marianne and I think the thing of it is too what I love about Matthew is last week we talked about the human side, all those names and boy are they human. This week we're going to be talking about the God side if he's fully God, fully man. And we're looking at the next few verses which is Matthew 1:18 25, which is actually where Joseph is told. Okay man, it's cool. [01:03:18] Speaker A: I know you're upset and I know you're thinking about divorcing her. Putting away public or privately which is the right thing. Don't do it. This. This child is the Savior and Nathan. [01:03:31] Speaker B: Is only mentioned twice in the Bible. [01:03:32] Speaker C: Right. [01:03:33] Speaker A: Which Nathan? There's several Nathan's. There's a Nathaniel, there's Nathan the prophet, David's son. Okay. Yeah. But I think there's Nathan the prophet too. Yes. That's not the same. [01:03:45] Speaker B: I think this is how we can tie it back. Is. [01:03:49] Speaker B: Chronicles. Is it first Chronicles. Nathan is listed as David's son. Right. [01:03:57] Speaker B: That's the only place, isn't it that Nathan, David's son Nathan was. [01:04:02] Speaker A: Well, I mean it should be in Luke 3. [01:04:04] Speaker B: Well yeah. I mean that's how we. I'll just talk about Old Testament. That's how we connect that we know is through. [01:04:12] Speaker B: Mary's line. [01:04:14] Speaker A: This new Bible does not turning like I like it. [01:04:17] Speaker B: It will. [01:04:18] Speaker A: It will eventually. [01:04:20] Speaker B: Which what king did God tell him that he was going to The Messiah would not come through. His. His reign is one of them that the Messiah would not come through. He Was going to cut him off or something. I don't remember who it was, but it must been. It was a Judah King. [01:04:38] Speaker A: I want to say it was towards the end, as they were going into exile. [01:04:42] Speaker B: Okay. [01:04:43] Speaker A: I think it was Jacona, but don't quote me on that. Nathan, son of David. [01:04:48] Speaker B: And so Nathan Mary, actually, the. The bloodline comes through Nathan. The legal line comes through Joseph, you. [01:04:58] Speaker C: Know. [01:05:01] Speaker B: I mean, that scripture was fulfilled. They just didn't know that it had already been fulfilled. [01:05:07] Speaker A: Double time. [01:05:08] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, I mean, you think about the. First of all, I appreciated that you took the time to go through the women that were listed in there and kind of give the backstory. That's an easy thing to miss. Well, that these weren't just six or seven random females we happened to throw into the genealogy. They all had a path just to. [01:05:27] Speaker A: Be listed as a female. Makes you. Wait, Wait, why are you putting females in there? Because it was a patriarchal society, and if you look at Luke 3, there's no females at all listed in there. You go through the Old Testament, there's no females that I know of. There might be one or so, but I've never seen it. But I know Matthew, for some reason, threw in five names. Four probably questionable being the fact. Maybe not morally, but as far as a Jew goes, Ruth, that's Moabite. Tamar, she was a Canaanite, you know, Rahab, she was Jericho. She was Canaanite or Gentile, too. [01:06:05] Speaker B: Mark what was tomorrow. [01:06:06] Speaker A: But tomorrow was a Canaanite. [01:06:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:08] Speaker A: So a Gentile. [01:06:10] Speaker B: Wasn't that the one that was in Genesis? [01:06:12] Speaker A: Yes, Judah. Yep. [01:06:13] Speaker B: Okay, 38. But she was married to his son. [01:06:17] Speaker A: Son, heir who died. He was wicked. [01:06:19] Speaker B: Okay. [01:06:20] Speaker A: And then he was promised Judah's second son, and he would not marry her. So God took him out. Judah said, I got one more. You marry him. [01:06:29] Speaker C: He. [01:06:30] Speaker A: But he reneged on the promise. She. She was sitting there saying, well, when am I going to get married? So she tricked him. [01:06:35] Speaker B: And so it was Jude and Tamar. Yeah. [01:06:37] Speaker A: So they were the ones. Yeah. She disguised herself as a prostitute, and he went into her, and that's where his wife. [01:06:45] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, you're right. Genesis is a. I told you. [01:06:50] Speaker A: I said Sunday. I said, look, folks, you want a nighttime soap opera, just stick in Genesis. Those patriarchs, they did some stuff that it's like, whoa, you know, I mean, one, you sold your brother into slavery. You had an affair. You didn't know, but you. You got a prostitute, and it turned out to be. She disguised herself. You didn't know it was her. [01:07:14] Speaker A: Daughter in law. Then you had, you had a guy that gets married, thinks he married one daughter, goes into her and turns out that it's oh, I married the ugly one. [01:07:26] Speaker B: So. But you know what? Judah must have took care of Tamar. [01:07:31] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean they must have went down. Well, he says she was more righteous. [01:07:37] Speaker B: Than me, so he must have took care of her. She might have went down to Egypt. [01:07:43] Speaker A: Yep. [01:07:44] Speaker B: That was the only been part of the 70. [01:07:46] Speaker C: I never thought even thought about that. Yeah, I know I've said this before, but that was the most confusing part for me when I would try to read the Bible is every time I'd get into the Old Testament it's like, like every time I think that somebody's righteous, they do something awful. Now I can't tell who the good guys are and the bad guys are. And eventually I figured out it's oh. [01:08:03] Speaker A: We'Re all bad, we're all bad. So there's a big God with grace. And that's what Matthew 1 tells us over and over again. I mean when you've got, I mean David, if he's the ultimate insider on that list, I mean he's a man after God's own heart. Out of all those 42 names that are there, David probably has to be top three, if not more. He might even be top one. Abraham probably. But, but still they still need a savior. [01:08:29] Speaker C: Honestly, in, in the Old Testament, Adam's probably got the cleanest track record of any of them. [01:08:35] Speaker A: I mean he only started one thing. [01:08:38] Speaker C: It was pretty bad. But. [01:08:40] Speaker B: But he looked what he started. Yeah, I'm sure he would have. He would have thought twice that he knew this would. [01:08:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Who, who would have the clean strike record? I'm just curious. Who. [01:08:51] Speaker B: Daniel, Adam, Daniel on through the, in the Bible itself. [01:08:55] Speaker A: No, I'm just talking about Old Testament. I'm just curious because I don't know that you had them. All of us are falling. [01:09:02] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. [01:09:04] Speaker A: I would say Daniel, Enoch, but we, some of the top ones but we. [01:09:08] Speaker B: Don'T really know his personal life. That might have been a little bit different. [01:09:11] Speaker A: Daniel. Daniel's pretty up there, man. When you read Daniel every took and. [01:09:15] Speaker B: Enoch, he was, he was just writing on his good days. [01:09:18] Speaker A: Yeah, okay. [01:09:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:19] Speaker A: And then Enoch, you know, God took him. [01:09:23] Speaker B: What did he do to get to. [01:09:24] Speaker A: Get raptured like that with the Lord? I don't know. [01:09:27] Speaker B: I don't know. That was. There's really written about it. [01:09:30] Speaker A: How about Elijah? He got Taken away in a chariot of fire. So he must have been hitting on all eight. Yeah, but he had his, he had. [01:09:37] Speaker C: His faults and failures. [01:09:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:39] Speaker A: And doubts. [01:09:41] Speaker B: So I guess the Old Testament should remind us that all of our brothers, every one of the Christian people, every Christian is going to fail at some point in time. [01:09:52] Speaker A: That's right. [01:09:52] Speaker B: And that we don't need to, you know, put them down or. And we don't need get discouraged and we don't need to bad mouth them. [01:10:02] Speaker A: That's right. [01:10:03] Speaker B: It's just going to happen. [01:10:04] Speaker A: That's right. [01:10:05] Speaker B: And I know, I don't know. [01:10:08] Speaker C: You. [01:10:08] Speaker B: Know, like a pastor, if they get in trouble, you know, adultery, that don't mean a thing. I mean, to me, what I'm saying. [01:10:20] Speaker A: It means something. [01:10:23] Speaker B: That happens. That happens all the time. [01:10:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:10:26] Speaker B: Everybody fails. I don't, I don't get up. [01:10:31] Speaker B: I wouldn't get upset about it personally. Yeah, he has to do some. [01:10:36] Speaker A: Well, it hurts because you're, you're, you're listening to them, you're depending on them. You're, you're eating, they're feeding you. And you, you put them on a little bit of a pedestal, whether you want to or not. But, and I'm not saying you elevate them to that status, but you look up to them, you admire them. And the people that hurt the most are the ones you admire the most. [01:10:57] Speaker B: People that you hurt the most is the ones that had their eyes on you and not on Christ. [01:11:01] Speaker A: Right, but, but no, no, that's not what I said. [01:11:06] Speaker A: I was going in with saying, I agree with you. Then I said that. What I said is the people that hurt the most, talking about me. The people that hurt me the most are the ones that I admire the most. Because, oh, man, I had them on a. I thought they, you know, I had them at a higher standard. [01:11:23] Speaker B: Yes. Right. [01:11:25] Speaker A: And I don't think there's anything necessarily as long as that standard is not so much that. Because, look, you're teaching causes you to falter. [01:11:34] Speaker B: And what I'm saying is you had your eyes on them more than you did on God. [01:11:40] Speaker A: It's still gonna hurt. [01:11:41] Speaker B: I don't think I agree with you on that. [01:11:44] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm not saying. But I'm not worshiping them either. I just know the more that I admire someone or like them or think, okay, their walk is really hitting on all ages. [01:11:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:56] Speaker A: You know, Paul says, imitate me as I imitate Christ. So if I see someone that, okay, man, I really want to, hey, they're, they're Leading me. They're ahead of me, but I'm following because we're both heading the same place. If he falls, man, that's going to hurt like the dickens. That's all I'm saying. The ones that I admire the most hurt the most. Hurt me the most. If they fall. Yeah. But you're saying. I'm putting them on a pedestal and I'm saying. [01:12:21] Speaker B: I'm saying that you would. You had your eyes on them or they In Christ. They shouldn't bother. Here's what I'm saying. Because we're saying the same thing. Because it's coming two different ways. What I'm saying is, are you saying the same thing? [01:12:35] Speaker A: That's what I love about Kenny. That's what I love about Kenny. [01:12:40] Speaker A: We're saying the same thing. [01:12:41] Speaker C: No, we're not. [01:12:44] Speaker B: We don't need to be condemning them. We need to be. [01:12:47] Speaker A: Exactly. [01:12:48] Speaker B: That's what. That's kind of where I was going. [01:12:50] Speaker A: Yeah, I get that. [01:12:51] Speaker B: That. [01:12:51] Speaker C: Well, I think what Ben's saying, like, if. If my mom or dad did something boneheaded and stupid and got in a whole bunch of trouble. [01:12:57] Speaker A: It would shock you. [01:12:58] Speaker C: It would shock me. It would hurt me a heck of a lot more than seeing some random person on the news or something like that. Right. [01:13:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:13:03] Speaker C: When people. You're close. Yeah, But. [01:13:08] Speaker A: But I agree. And I think the. The old saying is. [01:13:11] Speaker B: You agree? [01:13:13] Speaker A: No. [01:13:14] Speaker C: Yeah. That's on the top of the. [01:13:16] Speaker A: I think what I'm getting at is this is. Is it needs to be except for the grace of God go I. Yeah. And so rather than condemning and looking down on them. Yeah. I want to operate in grace. At the same time, I'm not saying it didn't hurt because I can't help. [01:13:31] Speaker B: Just trying to help you out. [01:13:32] Speaker A: Yeah. I know I can be disappointed, but I don't have to be judgmental and condemning. I mean, I can be heartbroken because that happened, but it doesn't mean. [01:13:43] Speaker B: Right. And you shouldn't. [01:13:45] Speaker A: Or am I mad at them or those idiots? Yeah. [01:13:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:13:49] Speaker A: I should want to see them restored or something. But you're exactly right. I get it. I get it. [01:13:55] Speaker B: We're saying that three times today. [01:13:58] Speaker A: We're saying the same thing. I'm just saying I'm coming at it from. But it doesn't. It doesn't belittle it, that it. It's going to hurt. [01:14:06] Speaker B: Yeah. That's how we probably look at the times today. I just want to know. I just want, you know. Is that a record? [01:14:12] Speaker A: It is. For times he's it is. I agreed with him in one time. Yeah. [01:14:16] Speaker B: One setting within an hour. [01:14:18] Speaker C: Two hours maybe probably closer to two. [01:14:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:14:24] Speaker C: Bye. [01:14:25] Speaker A: All right. [01:14:26] Speaker B: All right. [01:14:29] Speaker A: Well, I'm hoping the interest rate's gonna fall again for long and that'll be nice. [01:14:33] Speaker B: Well, I just thought you were paying cash. I mean. [01:14:36] Speaker A: Yeah, well, no, not this time. Yes, the teacher salary is what brings it in. [01:14:42] Speaker B: I know that. That. Yeah, I was, I. I was looking up highlight before Renee retired. [01:14:47] Speaker A: I know man. [01:14:48] Speaker B: About. We've going from a ten foot tree down to a four foot tree. Can't afford that. [01:14:54] Speaker C: You had to get a cheap, cheap artificial. [01:14:57] Speaker A: Don't you. You, you say the 70s like that was yesterday. Yeah, that was 50 years ago. Let's put it this way. Since the 80s Duke has been all right. [01:15:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:15:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:15:06] Speaker A: I mean they've had down years when Mike hurt his back back. [01:15:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:15:10] Speaker B: When Coach K came in, that's when they turned the program around two years later. [01:15:14] Speaker A: Yep. I was. That was about 81. 82. I thought they won one before then. I don't think because you had. Carolina won in 82, State one in 83. Jake said who won in 84? All those. [01:15:27] Speaker B: They started to get good in the eight. [01:15:30] Speaker A: You're right. George Chalmers. Hey, I got 1984. [01:15:34] Speaker C: Yes. [01:15:36] Speaker A: All right.