Episode Transcript
[00:00:02] Speaker A: It's really easy to be as gentle as a dove, even as hard as it might be in some situations. If I know that I am always called to be gentle as a dove, then I understand that in every situation, I have to roll over and take it and I have to be gentle. If you tell me to always be wise as serpents, I know that I always need to have one eye open in every situation.
But when you tell me to do both at the same time, now we've got a challenge on my hands now. I don't know when to be which. And really it's not even. He doesn't say be one or the. Be both at the same time. That's hard to do.
[00:00:34] Speaker B: Being cold.
[00:00:35] Speaker A: It feels like telling somebody to be hot and cold at the same time. They seem like opposites.
[00:00:38] Speaker C: Yeah. And I don't. I don't know. I don't know that they are opposites, though.
[00:00:42] Speaker A: I know.
[00:00:43] Speaker C: I think they. But in our mind.
[00:00:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:00:47] Speaker B: Be cautious and kind.
[00:00:50] Speaker C: I think that's cautiously, cautiously kind. That.
[00:00:53] Speaker A: I think that's.
[00:00:54] Speaker B: Man.
[00:00:55] Speaker C: Man. You.
I'm telling you, man.
[00:00:59] Speaker A: Two of my favorites. I love these crackles and all of the good wars.
[00:01:03] Speaker B: Nestle, Crackle.
[00:01:05] Speaker A: I love that.
[00:01:06] Speaker C: And so it is rice, though, right? It ain't nuts.
[00:01:08] Speaker A: I think it's like a Rice Krispie kind of thing.
[00:01:10] Speaker C: Yeah, it's a Rice Krispie.
[00:01:12] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:01:13] Speaker C: Oh, those crackles are good, though. To me. They remind me. Yeah. Nestle Crunch. And then sometimes it reminds me kind of like a Kit Kat.
I like a Kit Kat. Those are good. And Mr. Good bars are good, too. And. But I still.
I know we can't put them in. In the East. Eggs. I tell you what. I've gotten where a payday is about become one of my favorite.
[00:01:36] Speaker B: Payday kind of came late. I. I never did, really.
[00:01:39] Speaker C: You don't like peanuts?
[00:01:41] Speaker B: I do, but I like a Snickers better.
[00:01:43] Speaker C: I do, too. And you know, they got pean Snickers too, now.
[00:01:47] Speaker B: Pretty good.
[00:01:48] Speaker A: I'm a sucker for any chocolate peanut combination.
[00:01:51] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:01:51] Speaker A: Salt, chocolate peanut butter. Chocolate peanut.
[00:01:53] Speaker C: I'm a salty sweet guy.
[00:01:56] Speaker B: You. You.
[00:01:57] Speaker C: You just can't throw the peanuts I
[00:01:59] Speaker B: got from Macy Perry the chocolate. I can't.
[00:02:02] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:02:03] Speaker C: Oh, man, those blister. Blister fried peanuts. We need some more of those.
[00:02:07] Speaker A: Yeah, we do.
Make you a trip
[00:02:12] Speaker B: since you're in the money. I'll.
[00:02:13] Speaker C: Yeah. Oh, there you go.
[00:02:16] Speaker B: Oh, I'll buy.
[00:02:17] Speaker C: I'll buy a carton.
Can you get a little.
I mean, I reckon I can swing you $10? Can they more than 10?
[00:02:27] Speaker B: Add another zero.
[00:02:29] Speaker C: No, for one of those things like that.
[00:02:32] Speaker B: That's a. Just.
[00:02:34] Speaker C: That's what I'm calling a car.
[00:02:35] Speaker B: Oh, okay.
[00:02:36] Speaker C: What do you call it? A pack.
[00:02:37] Speaker B: One serving down here.
[00:02:40] Speaker C: Half a service.
[00:02:41] Speaker B: Whatever a pack is, they go on us.
[00:02:43] Speaker C: It's like that. That we ate that day in here.
How much is that?
[00:02:48] Speaker B: Are you the big.
Just a.
[00:02:50] Speaker C: Just a one container.
[00:02:52] Speaker B: Probably $10.
[00:02:53] Speaker C: That's what I figured.
[00:02:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:55] Speaker C: I'll slide you at 10.
Not right now. I don't think we got it. But to you. I got cash on people. Yeah, you.
[00:03:03] Speaker B: When are you going?
[00:03:05] Speaker C: When? What?
[00:03:07] Speaker B: April.
[00:03:07] Speaker C: Oh, down. Down to the coast.
[00:03:09] Speaker B: No, no, that's not what I'm talking about.
[00:03:11] Speaker C: Tennessee.
[00:03:12] Speaker B: Yeah, that's the one.
[00:03:13] Speaker C: Tennessee is when I'm going on the 20th.
[00:03:15] Speaker B: Okay. 20th.
Yep.
[00:03:18] Speaker C: Gotta go out to Nashville.
[00:03:21] Speaker B: And where are you going? The other one.
[00:03:24] Speaker C: Down to the coast somewhere.
[00:03:27] Speaker B: Anywhere.
[00:03:29] Speaker C: Down to the coast somewhere. I'm not telling anybody too much.
[00:03:33] Speaker A: I gotta tell y' all funny story real quick before we get going too much. We're going to Myrtle.
[00:03:37] Speaker C: Dirty Myrtle.
[00:03:38] Speaker B: Dirty Myrtle. Dirty Myrtle.
[00:03:42] Speaker C: That's where we.
[00:03:43] Speaker B: Because we have a whole lot of money.
We got married. I have a job.
Renee had a job.
Actually, I got married. Graduated college on the same weekend. Wow.
[00:03:56] Speaker C: Then went to honeymoon at Myrtle Beach.
[00:03:59] Speaker B: That's all we could afford.
[00:04:00] Speaker C: Just stay at somebody's place. Did you have a place?
[00:04:02] Speaker A: No.
[00:04:02] Speaker B: Ocean Sands.
[00:04:03] Speaker C: Oh, Ocean Sands. That's still down there too, I believe.
[00:04:06] Speaker B: Probably pretty dirty by now.
[00:04:08] Speaker C: I think they probably rebuilt it by now. Okay. I think if it's the one I'm thinking about, there's so many big ones. Ones down there now.
[00:04:15] Speaker B: They'll probably tear them down, build a bigger one.
[00:04:17] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:04:18] Speaker C: Well, we're staying at Cherry Grove this time. Cause then they got some high rises out there, man.
Like the Jefferson's moved on, baby.
[00:04:30] Speaker B: Does Burn us have a condo down there at Cherry, bro?
[00:04:32] Speaker C: He does. He does. His is right there at Barefoot Landing behind the shark restaurant.
Greg Normans.
[00:04:41] Speaker B: I don't.
I've only been to Myrtle beach once. No matter who's there, y' all ain't
[00:04:48] Speaker C: been back like for. Y' all come back just to.
[00:04:50] Speaker B: I could I have been back to see a show. That's about it. What?
[00:04:55] Speaker C: Alabama Theater?
[00:04:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Christmas show.
I got an email today.
Right.
Or a couple days ago.
Renee's favorite movie is the wizard of Oz. Is it really?
And I can get tickets to go there.
At Pembroke?
[00:05:19] Speaker C: Yeah.
No, not Pembroke. The one university.
[00:05:23] Speaker B: University of Pembroke.
[00:05:25] Speaker C: Oh, Pembroke. Okay. Unc. Pembroke.
[00:05:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
For $50 a ticket anywhere.
And it's a real small theater. And these are.
[00:05:35] Speaker C: Is it a movie or is it a play?
[00:05:36] Speaker B: It's a play. Oh, I like.
[00:05:40] Speaker C: I can't believe you can't find it somewhere close by.
[00:05:42] Speaker B: You can for three times as much.
[00:05:45] Speaker C: I'm sure the wrong little theater ain't that.
[00:05:47] Speaker B: This is traveling.
[00:05:49] Speaker C: Oh, okay.
[00:05:49] Speaker B: This is not the. Oh, these are professional.
[00:05:54] Speaker C: Way off Broadway. Yeah, just a little bit.
[00:05:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:56] Speaker C: This ain't Deepak. But one step below.
[00:05:58] Speaker B: I think they can be.
[00:05:59] Speaker C: I think now I'd love to be back.
[00:06:03] Speaker B: Well, it was just too many.
[00:06:05] Speaker C: Too many people.
[00:06:06] Speaker B: Too many people in high dollar now.
[00:06:08] Speaker C: They get you in and out pretty quick.
[00:06:09] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. 300 a pop. They ought to be.
[00:06:12] Speaker C: I mean, you ain't gonna go see too many places.
[00:06:15] Speaker B: Well, I mean, you have to go
[00:06:17] Speaker C: see like Phantom of the Opera or something.
[00:06:21] Speaker B: That would be kind of high. I've already seen it. But I mean, I'm just saying, I saw up in Boston.
[00:06:25] Speaker C: I think it's too bad
[00:06:29] Speaker B: the Christmas Carol is getting high. I ain't going to do that anymore.
[00:06:35] Speaker C: You talk about the most overrated thing.
I went. I went one time and I was like, I'll never come back to this. I think this is terrible.
[00:06:44] Speaker B: I went there probably about 20 times. I thought it was great.
[00:06:49] Speaker C: Did you really?
[00:06:50] Speaker B: Yeah.
Even when I was a member of the Broadway.
[00:06:54] Speaker C: To me. To me, it was so much about Scrooge making it about himself. Then I was like, this is not
[00:06:59] Speaker B: even what's a story.
[00:07:00] Speaker C: No, it's not.
The Scrooge is not trying to be funny. And making. Making himself the star.
[00:07:08] Speaker B: Well, that's what keeps it going.
[00:07:10] Speaker C: Yeah, well, his.
[00:07:11] Speaker B: Actually.
[00:07:11] Speaker C: Maybe that's why I didn't go.
[00:07:13] Speaker B: His son is doing it now.
[00:07:14] Speaker C: That's why I didn't keep going. I don't know. I might have been in a bah humbug mood, but I did not get the feels of, oh, this makes me feel like Christmas.
[00:07:24] Speaker B: You're still upset about your salary.
[00:07:26] Speaker C: This.
[00:07:28] Speaker B: That's right.
[00:07:29] Speaker C: That's. This made me feel. I don't know. It was just. It was so much political in it because political year.
And I was like, okay, this is dumb. If I want to do this, I'll watch Fox News and CNN and laugh at both of them and do it for free at home.
[00:07:45] Speaker B: I can't watch you one of them.
[00:07:47] Speaker C: Well, like I said, you laugh at both and just kind of.
[00:07:49] Speaker B: Because.
[00:07:50] Speaker C: Not shake your head.
[00:07:52] Speaker B: One's over here. And one's over here. And the truth is right here.
[00:07:56] Speaker A: That's right.
[00:07:57] Speaker B: You know, it's like. But you know what?
If you don't watch the news, then you're misinformed. If you, I mean, if you do watch it, if you don't watch it, if you don't watch a nation, you're uninformed.
[00:08:09] Speaker A: Right.
[00:08:09] Speaker B: But if you do watch it, you misinform.
[00:08:11] Speaker A: Then.
[00:08:12] Speaker C: You know what, though? I have found sometimes being not informed is not.
[00:08:17] Speaker A: Yeah, I, I mean, I, I know there's probably a social responsibility that I'm not upholding here, but I really, I used to, Heather used to make fun of me for how out of touch I was with the news.
[00:08:29] Speaker B: Right.
[00:08:30] Speaker A: But because something big would happen like last week and somebody say something to him about do what I didn't know about that.
[00:08:35] Speaker C: Yeah, I get like that.
[00:08:36] Speaker A: But, yeah, the older I've gotten, the more, the less guilty I feel about not knowing what's going on in the world. I'm fine not knowing what's going on in the world, honestly. I mean, it's too many things that are going to make me mad or make me worry or make me whatever.
[00:08:49] Speaker C: No, listen, right now, everybody I talk to and everybody that I do a lot of either counseling or just catching up with or what I like to say, anytime I do any real talk with anybody, every last one of them, between gas prices, the war in Iran, whether the economy seems to be slowing or not slowing, everybody seems to have this whole stock market coming down or it just. Everybody seems to have this whole anxious tense slash.
Everybody's just kind of holding their breath like, what's going on? And I'm almost to the point of no, that, that it almost is a thing of no, I'm going to trust the Lord that I don't have to watch the news every night. I want to know what's going on in the war, just long as things are happening. But, man, if you sit there and watch it long enough, you about ready to say, is God dead? Where's the hope?
And that's what they want you to do.
[00:09:47] Speaker B: And so, yeah, self fear.
[00:09:49] Speaker C: Yeah, that's it. And so I, I'm, you know, as I look at the scriptures, there is no fear. How many times does Jesus say, fear not, Fear not. And so that's where, as you watch these things, you just got to know, where does your hope come from?
Just, just meeting with, with some folks a little while ago, and I know they're going through a whole lot. And you know, I had to tell them, look, go, go. Look at what David did at Ziklag when he lost everything, he strengthened himself in the Lord. And that's what we have to do as well. Even when these reports come up, even when things don't seem to go right, you got to know where your strength is and you got to know where your hope is. And it's not in yourself and it's not in. Okay, if the stock market goes up tomorrow and I can get above 50,000, 50,000 points at Dow Jones. No, it is found in Christ and Christ alone. So. And he was here long before Dow Jones and he'll be here long after Dow Jones.
[00:10:47] Speaker B: Well, that's the Christian point of view, but it's all about the money.
[00:10:52] Speaker C: Sure it is.
But, but, but that's the world of things. But that's the world now. I, and I started it with people I'm talking to in counseling and everything else. They're, they're born again or at least claiming to be born again. So you would hope that they have the right focus, the right thing that's driving them. But unfortunately, I think too many times we function too much like, like the world.
[00:11:16] Speaker B: And I, I agree with you. 110.
[00:11:19] Speaker C: I mean, the sermon Sunday was totally opposite of what the world says. The world says, oh, if you are somebody, you're served. The world says, oh, if you're, if you're somebody, you have people under you. And Jesus flips the worldly standard on this ear and says, well, if you, if you are, if you are going to be a spiritual leader, then you better be a servant.
[00:11:40] Speaker B: Let's talk about before the sermon.
[00:11:43] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:11:44] Speaker B: The welcome. Huh?
[00:11:50] Speaker C: You said, what'd I say?
Four years ago?
[00:11:54] Speaker B: No, you said there was a good looking pastor.
[00:11:57] Speaker C: Yeah, that's four years ago.
[00:11:58] Speaker B: Y' all heard a sermon because I went to look for that guy.
I went, yeah, upstairs.
[00:12:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:12:05] Speaker B: Because I want to introduce myself.
[00:12:08] Speaker C: That's great.
[00:12:09] Speaker A: I told you. Well, back. I went back and watched one of your first couple of sermons here, and I was like, good gracious, this place has put some great hairs.
[00:12:16] Speaker C: Yes, they have. They watch. Well, and I will say this now to my defense, and again, I will stand by this.
Two years ago, we didn't have those bright lights. Those bright lights bring out the gray.
[00:12:28] Speaker A: I could see that.
[00:12:29] Speaker C: It really does. If we go back and didn't have it, people be like, wow, he's been coloring.
[00:12:33] Speaker B: So you are the good looking guy. Is that what you're saying?
[00:12:35] Speaker C: Exactly. Don't you remember that?
[00:12:37] Speaker B: Well, I tell You, I think you're in denial.
[00:12:43] Speaker A: You, you went on a, you went on a small, little, I don't know, two, three minute monologue, I guess, on the father's serving in your household.
[00:12:58] Speaker C: And I'm sitting there the whole time.
[00:12:59] Speaker A: It's just me and Gabe in the sanctuary, the younger two or children's church. And I'm just sitting there like, I could feel him just, like glaring inside of my head the whole time. And when I finally looked over at him, he's like, see, you serve me. You're supposed to serve me.
[00:13:10] Speaker C: Hey.
[00:13:11] Speaker A: I said, now listen, backers, kid. I. Here's the thing. I said, yes, I serve you. You serve recent Christian. He said, no, I don't want to do that.
[00:13:20] Speaker C: I said, yeah, that's better yet. Just keep on going a little bit more.
[00:13:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:23] Speaker C: When it comes to the children.
[00:13:24] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:25] Speaker C: But, but when, when I'm talking about being a spiritual leader, it is a whole different ball game.
[00:13:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:30] Speaker C: And so I did, I enjoyed the sermon Sunday. It was one of. I think it hits hard because, hey, it calls us, Calls us to be a servant.
And that is always, you know, it's, it's convicting.
[00:13:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:46] Speaker C: As it is to me is, am I willing to do some of those menial tasks that.
Or do I consider myself above that?
[00:13:54] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:54] Speaker C: Because, well, hey, look who I am. No.
[00:13:57] Speaker A: Well, I love the story that.
I love the story you shared about the, the kid throwing up everywhere. Yes. Because that was one of those that I, I. There's a lot of these times in our lives, I think we're. You sit in church on Sunday and you read and hear about what Jesus did, and you think, oh, yeah, that's a good way to act.
[00:14:15] Speaker B: Right.
[00:14:15] Speaker A: And then you get out there on a Tuesday or Thursday, whatever, and something happens and you get faced with one of these situations where it's like, actually, if I'm going to do what I believe you're supposed to do, I know what I should do. But, man, I don't want to. You know what I mean?
And I think sometimes, I mean, I know sometimes God will throw some of those situations in your path to, to.
I don't know if test. Use the right way to even say it, but to, to demonstrate for you in action what it's supposed to look like.
[00:14:45] Speaker C: I think it's test. Yeah, I think it's test. I think it's test. Or either it's, you know, hey, are, Are you growing? Yeah. Test. Maybe not in.
[00:14:54] Speaker A: Are you going to pass or fail? But test in a way for you. For you to.
You know, sometimes you learn things from the test itself, and sometimes you. You learn it by experiencing a situation. And sometimes you have to do something you don't really want to do because it is the.
It is the.
The righteous thing to do is not always exactly what you're excited to do
[00:15:14] Speaker C: or what God is calling you to do.
[00:15:15] Speaker B: Might.
[00:15:15] Speaker C: Might be what you think is either beneath you or somebody else can do that.
[00:15:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:15:21] Speaker C: And I'm too. I'm too important for that.
[00:15:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:24] Speaker C: Don't think so.
[00:15:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
It sounds a whole lot easier in church on Sunday than it is in the real world.
[00:15:31] Speaker C: Are you. Are you ready? Are you willing to. Jesus put on time or are you willing to. Whatever comes your way might be again, cleaning up or taking out the trash that nobody even. Nobody's even going to know you did it.
[00:15:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:15:45] Speaker C: Don't need a pat on the back. Don't need a. Hey, atta boy. No, just whatever. And nobody even asked me to do it.
That's. You know, I think that's the thing. When you look at how Jesus served. He wasn't asked to wash the feet.
Just it was a job that needed to be done.
He's not looking to be rewarded because he doesn't know what I mean? You expect a pat on the back or some payment for this, it ain't gonna happen. And then number three is it's not based on whether they deserved it, because if it was that, he would. Said, y' all a bunch of sorry jokers.
[00:16:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:15] Speaker C: You know, one of them is going to betray me. One of them is going to deny me. One of them is going to doubt me.
Basically all of you are, you know, basically foul ups.
[00:16:25] Speaker B: Yeah, well, all of them doubted him. Well.
[00:16:27] Speaker C: And all of them ran.
[00:16:29] Speaker B: Thomas got the. He got up.
[00:16:31] Speaker C: He gets the bum round. Yeah, but all of them ran. All of them abandoned him.
So at the end of it, if it was based on deserving, would nobody have gotten it? And same thing. I mean, but that same thing for us as far as salvation and what he did in serving us.
[00:16:48] Speaker B: So it shouldn't be the doubting Thomas. It should be the doubting disciples.
[00:16:52] Speaker C: Doubting disciples. I agree.
And trooping on. You're welcome. And you're on a roll. You started off good. Usually in the hole.
But I will say think about it for a second, though.
I don't fault Thomas to some degree. I mean, think about what he's being asked to believe and think about.
He needs to see it. I don't mean to be ugly, but I Don't beat him up too much on that. I might have been the same way.
[00:17:23] Speaker B: I've never heard of anybody coming back from the dead. I mean, other than what Jesus did.
[00:17:27] Speaker C: And the other disciples looked. I don't know. They look down on Thomas. But Thomas saying, until I see him, they had seen him.
That ain't fair.
Thomas just automatically. The other ones, Peter and John had seen him a couple of times. The ladies had seen him, these folks had seen him. And so then come, you know, the two disciples on the road to Emmaus. They had seen him, and so they didn't even recognize. Yeah. And you expect Thomas just, oh, okay, I'm gonna take your word for it.
You want me to take your word for something that don't happen?
And I can't blame Thomas in a way, but I am glad that he. That he did.
Yeah. Yeah.
Even though he was told he would. I mean, Jesus didn't. Well, he just didn't get it.
[00:18:16] Speaker B: No, they were still thinking about, how's this going to work out?
The kingdom was here.
[00:18:22] Speaker C: Well, I mean, he told them, you're on earth rods again.
[00:18:25] Speaker B: But that's. But you know what? That's also. That's what he was taught. Sure. So that might be the responsibility the teachers weren't doing. Maybe they might not have been teaching the right thing, but he was taught
[00:18:42] Speaker C: that on his teacher for the last three years was teaching him.
[00:18:46] Speaker B: Yes.
But it's hard to change tradition.
[00:18:49] Speaker C: But you can tell they just weren't getting it. I mean, Jesus over and over again told them, I'll rise on the third day. I will come again or I'll. But they never got that part.
[00:18:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:59] Speaker A: I think they probably just took that as symbolic in some way. He had to be speaking in a metaphor of some.
[00:19:03] Speaker C: I don't know what.
[00:19:04] Speaker A: It was something.
[00:19:05] Speaker C: I mean. And it's easy for us 2000 years later and the power of the Holy Spirit inside of us to read the Bible and say, boy, they sure are dense.
And they're not. I mean, they're just. They relate to us.
[00:19:19] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:19:19] Speaker C: Yeah. And did not have the Holy Spirit in them yet.
[00:19:23] Speaker B: And we see the beginning and the end of the story. Yeah.
[00:19:26] Speaker C: We see from.
[00:19:28] Speaker B: We've got the whole book, but they're. When you're living it, how's that going to work out?
[00:19:31] Speaker C: They just had the first half, you know, more than first half.
[00:19:36] Speaker A: One little curveball. You through.
You were talking about Peter and his response to Jesus doesn't want you to. You know, him saying, I'm not going to Watch, you know you're not going to wash my feet. And Gabe poked me and he said, why did he not want him to wash his feet? And I said, I'll tell you in a minute.
[00:19:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:54] Speaker A: And then. Because I kind of thought you'd probably get around to answering that, but then you went to answer it and I mean, I don't mean to sound like, oh, I'd always know exactly what Ben's going to say. I don't. But you don't surprise me like you did this time. Usually to where you say something, I'm just like, dude, whoa. I hadn't thought of that at all. But you said that his response was actually arrogant.
[00:20:15] Speaker C: And I thought, it's arrogant and irreverent. Yeah.
[00:20:18] Speaker A: And I thought, man, I didn't see that one coming. But you're right. And that was. First thing Gabe asked me is how was that arrogant? That sounded humble. I said, well, it does say arrogance. It sounds humble. But really what you're doing is saying that you know more than Jesus, which is about as far as you can get from.
[00:20:35] Speaker C: I mean, it is basically Jesus, you don't know what you're doing.
[00:20:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:38] Speaker C: And you don't need to be washing feet. And why are you doing that?
[00:20:41] Speaker A: And that was sort of Peter's, like, calling card was telling Jesus what he was or wasn't going to do, but meaning will and doing it. And he did that a lot.
[00:20:50] Speaker C: It was his calling card, too, to just express either what he was thinking or everybody else was thinking. Peter just gets credit for. Or it looks like the phone because he says it and he's not. I mean, Peter was one of the. One of the guys. He just was going to say it, but to basically say, jesus, you're not washing my feet. It does seem humble, but when you boil it down, it really isn't as humble as you think it is. And when you get to it, it is him saying, you shouldn't you. What are you doing?
[00:21:20] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. That's what he did a lot. He always. Yes, he did in an. In, I think, in his mind, exalting Jesus.
He went so far with it as to.
To think he rebuked. To rebuke, in a way.
[00:21:34] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, think about how many times he did try to rebuke Jesus, but then Jesus always come back and rebuke him.
[00:21:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:40] Speaker C: Such as, well, if you don't want me to wash your feet, you can't have no part of me.
[00:21:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:44] Speaker C: I mean, that's pretty strong rebuke.
[00:21:45] Speaker A: Yeah. And so he didn't seem to be around the bush with his responses to Peter very much.
[00:21:50] Speaker C: No, I think behind me say Peter was one of those guys kind of like you have folks in the church sometimes that they're just as straightforward as they can be.
They probably have the tact of a sledgehammer and they just come out and they say exactly what's on their mind. And sometimes it can be right, hurtful. And sometimes the best way to deal with people like that is to come right back with another sledgehammer. Not in a hurtful way, but just because they're not going to get it. If you just. I don't think Peter's one of those guys you beat around the bush and just kind of hint that he's going to get it. No, I think with Peter you got to come out and say no, that that phone is black.
[00:22:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:23] Speaker C: You know, and he might say it was white. No, look at it, Peter.
[00:22:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:26] Speaker C: You know.
[00:22:27] Speaker A: Well, I saw almost entirely unrelated, but it kind of ties into that. I saw an interview the other day. I don't know when it was, but it was like a sit down, 30 minute with coach K and Roy Williams. I think after they.
[00:22:38] Speaker C: Oh, I've seen that.
[00:22:39] Speaker A: Yeah. And it was just hearing them compare. But one of the questions that they were asked or, or answer or something was how you handled different players differently. And that you know, some players he could, if he said, with Tyler Hansberry said, if I just insinuated that he had given a 99 effort, that was all I needed to do.
[00:22:57] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:22:57] Speaker A: But on the other hand, with others it's a totally different thing. Yeah.
[00:23:00] Speaker C: Some you got a kids, gloves, others you, you. All you got to do is just mention it.
[00:23:04] Speaker A: Hey, I can break Gabe's heart with a look. Yep. And I couldn't hurt Christians feelings with a fist. You know what I mean?
[00:23:13] Speaker C: And that's it. And you think about it. If you grow up with brothers and sisters, I guarantee you neither one of them are exactly alike. Even twins that are born at the same time. No, they're different. And that's what I love about the Lord is he knows how to respond to each person.
That is a gift from above. If you know how to respond. Because there are certain people that you know and you kind of learn that. Because there are certain people that no matter what you say, their feelings are going to be hurt.
[00:23:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:41] Speaker C: And then there are certain people that you got to basically hit them upside the head and to get them to, to listen or to focus or to hear what you're Saying, yeah, so. And I love that. That Lord knows. Because with Peter, that's exactly what he does.
[00:23:56] Speaker B: Everybody's different now.
[00:23:57] Speaker C: They are, brother.
[00:23:59] Speaker B: They are.
[00:23:59] Speaker A: I keep having to check my phone, make sure my battery's not that I didn't realize I got here. My battery's already down to 20%. I'm like, oh, man.
[00:24:05] Speaker C: Speed away the change.
[00:24:06] Speaker A: I don't know what it is.
[00:24:07] Speaker C: Cold, like a car battery.
[00:24:08] Speaker A: Well, my phone's getting to that part of its life where it's almost paid for. So it stopped working. Yeah, that's right.
[00:24:13] Speaker C: Last meal, last bill. That's when it starts.
[00:24:16] Speaker A: So your truck doesn't get a software update when it's right before. I think they download a bug right before.
[00:24:22] Speaker C: Yeah, it's a battery.
[00:24:23] Speaker A: They know what they're doing.
[00:24:24] Speaker C: Because I've had.
[00:24:24] Speaker A: I've.
[00:24:25] Speaker C: I've had batteries replaced.
[00:24:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:27] Speaker C: On purpose just because of that.
[00:24:28] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:28] Speaker C: Rather than buying a new phone.
[00:24:30] Speaker B: A lot longer life on it.
[00:24:31] Speaker C: Yeah. Wound up on the phone and it would update.
[00:24:35] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:36] Speaker A: The battery.
[00:24:37] Speaker C: Just the batteries.
[00:24:38] Speaker B: Just like Apple.
Apple. You usually have to buy a computer after about eight years because the older models will not update the new software.
[00:24:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:49] Speaker B: So I ain't. That. That was.
[00:24:50] Speaker C: No, the phones that hadn't had that yet, I don't know. Well, I think after a while, they start. Even some of the towers are only going to do certain things because the towers now are 5G. Their first phones wouldn't do that.
[00:25:02] Speaker B: The name of the game now is make something that don't last.
[00:25:07] Speaker C: What a suppliant system.
[00:25:08] Speaker B: And also add a maintenance contract to it. Yeah, yeah.
[00:25:12] Speaker C: That's appliances. That's everything.
[00:25:14] Speaker B: That's everything.
[00:25:15] Speaker C: Phones again, get. Make it disposable so that it's got to come back. That's right. That's right. You know it.
[00:25:22] Speaker A: Well, before we get to the end of the show, welcome to the other 167.
[00:25:27] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:25:28] Speaker A: Get started, I guess. Yeah.
[00:25:29] Speaker B: Oh, man.
[00:25:30] Speaker A: So we're kind of talking about that a little bit. And it kind of plays in with sort of my day right now. Jesus has an interesting balance in the way he. I mean, you can just. I don't want to say contrast. It's not that Jesus is changing, but the way he handles different situations. You can see him incredibly humble and incredibly.
Just gentle and patient with the way he handles things. Or you can see times where he is very direct and to the point and he. He handles what needs to be handled and he doesn't beat around the bush with it.
And I think it's one of our challenges in life is finding when we. When we are supposed to be each side of that. You know, I mean, I think I've had something this week that's just tag on it. I'm trying to be gracious and kind and gentle and all these types of things. But there also comes a point where it's like, now sometimes you got to tell the truth and you got to speak up and say what needs to be said. And it might not be comfortable always, but. But you can do. Being a Christian doesn't mean just rolling over and, you know, letting.
[00:26:33] Speaker B: Not.
[00:26:33] Speaker A: Not taking any control over a situation. Sometimes you got to step up and into a situation and. But it's tough to figure out how and when to do that. And I don't know. That's something I've really.
I'm about out of grace in it with the situation right here. And it's like, no, you can't ever run out of grace. But sometimes you kind of need to have a little bit of force in the way you handle stuff.
[00:27:00] Speaker C: You jump on that one first.
[00:27:02] Speaker B: I don't know what to jump on. I'm not sure what would Kenny do?
[00:27:07] Speaker C: I would.
[00:27:08] Speaker A: That way I'll know what not to do.
[00:27:12] Speaker B: I would stay in prayer because I've had to. Because I've been there where hard to forgive somebody or whatever, and I've had to constantly pray for that person.
And eventually, this is my experience, eventually I come out to where it doesn't bother me anymore.
But. But then again, sometimes, you know, you feel like people are taking advantage of you because.
And there.
There's like you don't want to be taken advantage of, but you want to show grace and where's the balance? Yeah.
But I think it's okay to be honest with somebody.
[00:27:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:27:57] Speaker B: That you. Well, you know, I like this that you're doing and it causes me. This is what it's caused me. Yeah. And I think, you know, sometimes you gotta.
[00:28:05] Speaker A: You.
[00:28:06] Speaker B: You gotta be honest and you should be honest. I don't know if that explained really what you're.
[00:28:11] Speaker A: Well, I mean.
[00:28:12] Speaker B: Cause I don't know what your situation is.
[00:28:13] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I would, but.
[00:28:14] Speaker C: No, I think you did.
[00:28:16] Speaker A: I don't know if the situation's something that passed.
Good job.
[00:28:20] Speaker B: I don't know if you text me with the big check with nothing on it. Just because I like to see the big check.
[00:28:26] Speaker C: There you go.
[00:28:27] Speaker A: Yeah, go ahead. I don't think the listeners or viewers or even you guys necessarily care about the whole situation. It Ain't something like it needs to be, you know, deep into. But I'll tell y' all later. But it's a group of people, basically, and you've got one in the group that's just kind of causing problems for the rest.
[00:28:45] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:28:46] Speaker A: And it's like, all right, do we just, out of grace, let this person continue to sink the ship and cause problems for everybody else? Or does somebody mention that this isn't okay and try to, you know, and then how do you do that with grace? And it's. Yeah, it's just kind of a.
It's.
[00:29:08] Speaker C: I.
[00:29:09] Speaker A: Part of it wants to tell because it's just funny in a way, the way it's kind of played itself out. But it's frustrating, too. I'm like, half this morning was just a really interesting. I'm halfway really, really excited and halfway want to rip somebody's throat out. And they're like, very mutual feelings at the same time, but. But it's like, you know, wanting to be kind, but at the same time, then you try to show that kindness or you take that one extra breath to make sure you don't say what.
What you want to say. You say it a little bit more graciously, and then they come back and snap at you.
And now you really want to come across. You know what I mean?
[00:29:45] Speaker B: Like, when you say grace gracefully, what do you mean? How are you saying it? Like, in a calm voice.
So usually people kind of softened without calling them out.
[00:29:59] Speaker C: I would assume that's what he's talking about. Without being in your face.
[00:30:04] Speaker A: Somebody was supposed to have done something or has been supposed to do something for a long time. And we've been waiting around and waiting around, waiting around, and it became obvious that they weren't going to do it. So the rest of us, or a couple of us kind of got together and said, I think we might have to figure out how to do this on our own.
[00:30:19] Speaker C: Yeah. We're just going to bypass it.
[00:30:21] Speaker A: We didn't say anything to them or cause a stink or anything. We just did it and then let them know, hey, we took care of this.
[00:30:30] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:30:30] Speaker A: Just wanted to let you know it's off your plate.
[00:30:32] Speaker C: You know, don't worry about it. We got it.
[00:30:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:30:34] Speaker A: And then they'd come back with, well, you didn't do it right. And it. That's not what I thought you were going to do. You should have done it this way. And then when we came back and said, well, what do we do wrong? They don't respond.
[00:30:44] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:30:45] Speaker A: And it's just like somebody who's upset.
[00:30:47] Speaker C: All right.
[00:30:47] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, their pride's been hurt.
[00:30:50] Speaker A: And we haven't said anything to like, call it out and say, well, we did this because you did it. You didn't do it, or why haven't you done it? We've tried to be as patient as we can be with you, with our communication with them.
[00:31:01] Speaker C: Sooner or later it does. If they. If they keep on with that, it needs to be do. We waited for six months for you to do this. Right.
[00:31:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:31:08] Speaker C: And sorry, but we had to roll.
[00:31:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:31:10] Speaker C: We can't.
[00:31:11] Speaker A: You.
[00:31:11] Speaker C: You.
I've. I've had to say this to some folks before you. You're a nickel holding up a dollar.
[00:31:17] Speaker A: That's it.
[00:31:17] Speaker C: And we got to roll. Even if you don't like the way the dollar rolls now. Yeah. You're the nickel. And you can't. We can't stop. Well, you're slowing up progress.
[00:31:26] Speaker A: And it's. I use the analogy. It's kind of like. Imagine you buy a.
Or property or something, and one person is the only one who's got a key to it. Or.
[00:31:35] Speaker C: Or.
[00:31:35] Speaker A: And the rest of them is ready
[00:31:37] Speaker C: to move or to sign the document.
[00:31:38] Speaker A: That's right.
[00:31:39] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:31:39] Speaker A: And you just got this one tiny little thing that's holding everything up, and it's like, we can't.
[00:31:46] Speaker C: I'm sorry.
[00:31:46] Speaker A: I try to be mean, but at some point, somebody's got to do something about this or, you know, And I think.
[00:31:52] Speaker C: I think a lot of times in a situation like that, and I think, you know, borrowing from Kenny. Kenny was exactly right, the way you handle it. I think you speak the truth in love at times.
[00:32:01] Speaker B: Nice things.
[00:32:02] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm, I'm, I. I'm being very kind today. I got a lot of sleep last night. You speak the truth in love.
If at all possible, be at peace with all men.
As far as it depends on you sometimes that does not work out that way.
I think there are times when you have to. If somebody's not doing their job, okay, why aren't they doing their job? And be sympathetic for when it needs sympathy.
But also it may be they're just lazy or they hadn't done it.
And if that's the case, I think that's when you see Jesus, you know, I think when you see Jesus rebuking the most and rebuking whoever he's going to rebuke, whether it's religious leaders, Peter, or someone else, it was usually okay. You should have known this.
This is something that you this is not hard stuff. Or you knew to do this and they didn't, you know, I don't know that I would call it a rebuke. When he talks to Nicodemus and he says, and you're a teacher in Israel and you don't know this.
I don't know if that's so much a rebuke as much as it is of. Come on, man, you really should catch. I don't think it's that way. As much it is. When he tells Peter, if I don't wash your feet, you ain't got nothing to do with that or I'm not going to let that happen. Jesus, you're not going to the cross. We'll get thee behind me, Satan. That's a pretty strong rebuke.
That's you being a puppet of Satan right now. That's strong. Okay. So it's when they do something that is totally.
That, you know. And again, I think circumstances dictate. Sometimes you just have to. And again, not being ugly, not trying to hurt nobody's feelings, but speaking the truth in love is crucial. And you can do it by just saying, well, man, we waited for six months or we waited for a certain amount of time and you never did it. And so don't, don't just either. Hey, right now we just gotta move forward.
[00:34:01] Speaker A: Someone accused me of being passive aggressive one time and I said, let me be clear. If I'm being pat. If you think I'm being passive aggressive, then you. I have miscommunicated because there ain't nothing
[00:34:10] Speaker C: passive about what I'm saying.
I'm trying to be aggressive.
[00:34:13] Speaker A: I'm being aggressive. I've never been one to be.
I don't.
I'm sure I've got the ability to be passive aggressive. I think we all do. Oh, yeah. But to me, I just tend to take more of the.
Maybe a more aggressive than I have to be approached. So I'm trying to balance that a little bit and say, okay, there's a yes, they're speaking the truth. But you don't always have to speak the entire truth. I mean, sometimes you. You can go out of your way and say things that aren't necessary and that's.
[00:34:42] Speaker C: It hurt people and pile on way more than it needs to be.
[00:34:45] Speaker A: Right.
[00:34:45] Speaker B: Even though it's the truth.
[00:34:46] Speaker A: Yeah, but. But at the same time, it's like, you know, at some point or another, you gotta, you just gotta call the.
You gotta call the truth what it is and try to be as kind as you can be.
[00:34:59] Speaker C: About it.
[00:35:00] Speaker A: And then when they don't handle it the way you. When they come back at you with something, then you have to again do is rinse and repeat the same thing. Now you still got to be gracious back and you. And. But still honest back, you know.
[00:35:13] Speaker C: And I think oftentimes where I get into sometimes I.
A mixture or a mess is I associate the problem and the person as the same thing.
And you really almost have to separate the two and be willing to address the problem.
Look, this is where it messed up, whether that's your fault or anything else. And so I sometimes tend to make it that it becomes personal where I really should be addressing the problem, but instead I'm. It's almost a.
[00:35:48] Speaker A: And.
[00:35:48] Speaker C: And sometimes look, the problem is the person. Yeah, and I get that. But I think there's a way to do it without it being seeming as a personal attack or something like that. That's where oftentimes is the hard part.
[00:36:01] Speaker A: Well, and I completely agree with that. And there's a flip side of that too that I don't. I think that I would say a gift of mine or at least a personality trait of mine is the ability to. To disconnect the situation from the person and to be able to say, okay, totally fine with you as a person.
[00:36:22] Speaker B: Right.
[00:36:23] Speaker A: Hate this situation. Can't. Can't tolerate this situation. Whatever. Still, you know, still love you. Still love you, can still be your friend.
[00:36:29] Speaker B: But. Huh.
[00:36:30] Speaker A: I'm gonna handle this first and we'll. We can still be friends. I can be friends with somebody that I'm mad at something that they've done and still be. I mean I've had friends that we were about to come to fists over stuff and then five minutes later we're patting each other on the back and laughing about it.
[00:36:44] Speaker C: That's dudes.
[00:36:45] Speaker A: But at the same time, sometimes the other person may not have that ability. I'm saying I'm mad at the situation. Still cool with you. But because you know you're tied to that situation now you think it's a
[00:36:59] Speaker C: personal attack because you're the one that
[00:37:00] Speaker A: dropped because you're the one who dropped the song.
[00:37:02] Speaker C: Now you think I'm like I'm attacking.
[00:37:04] Speaker A: You've made it personal that I acknowledge your mistake. Yeah, right, Exactly. And sometimes it can. It can swing both ways.
[00:37:10] Speaker B: Yeah, people get offensive.
[00:37:12] Speaker C: That's when you pretend that you didn't know they were supposed to do it. Well, whoever was supposed to turn it
[00:37:16] Speaker A: in saying that passive aggressive.
[00:37:19] Speaker C: Yeah, well, whoever was supposed to turn it In That's. Oh, man, I should have done that six months ago.
[00:37:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:37:23] Speaker C: Oh, that was me.
[00:37:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:37:26] Speaker A: Yeah, it's.
[00:37:28] Speaker C: But I think. I think there are times. I think you're exactly right. Jesus never calls us to just roll over and take whatever somebody throws at us. At the same time, he does cause us to turn the other cheek. And I think he does call us to operate in forgiveness and mercy.
But then there are times when.
I mean, like I said, this don't sound like mercy and grace and milk. Toast to me when he says, you brood of vipers, get thee behind me, Satan, you have no part of me. That don't sound like a nice, kind, friendly. No, that sounds like. No, that's an open rebuke. That. That really hits right between the eyes.
[00:38:08] Speaker A: Well, doesn't.
There's.
I'll misquote it slightly, but doesn't he say at some point, be shrewd as serpents, gentle as doves.
[00:38:16] Speaker C: Yep. Wise as serpents, harmless as doves.
[00:38:18] Speaker A: Harmless as doves. That's a really, really challenging verse when you really think about it.
It's really easy to be as gentle as a dove, even as hard as it might be in some situations. If I know that I am always called to be gentle as a dove, then I understand that in every situation, I have to roll over and take it and I have to be gentle. If you tell me to always be wise as serpents, I know that I always need to have one eye open and every situation.
But when you tell me to be both at the same time, now we've got a challenge on my hands, because now I don't know when to be which. And really, it's not even. He doesn't say be one or the other. It's be both at the same time. That's hard to do.
It feels like telling somebody to be hot and cold at the same time. They seem like opposites.
[00:39:03] Speaker C: Yeah. And I don't. I don't know. I don't know. They are opposites, though.
[00:39:07] Speaker A: I know.
[00:39:07] Speaker C: I think they. But in our mind.
[00:39:10] Speaker A: And d. Yeah, I think that's what I'm saying. In our mind. I don't think he means it as opposites. I think he means you can and should be both at the same time.
[00:39:19] Speaker B: Be. Be cautious and. And kind.
Cautious. Always have.
Always be cautious.
[00:39:30] Speaker C: I think that's cautiously kind.
[00:39:32] Speaker A: That. I think that's.
[00:39:34] Speaker B: Man.
[00:39:35] Speaker C: Man, you on the road today. I'm telling you, man. Well, I think you really.
[00:39:38] Speaker B: I just need one more. That'd be poor.
[00:39:39] Speaker C: So it'd be your record.
[00:39:41] Speaker A: Mama called me this morning. While you're looking that up, Mama called me.
[00:39:43] Speaker C: No, I was just trying to look and remember exactly I was going to say. I know it's.
I think it's towards where he's talking about persecution and being thrown out of the synagogue and things like that, if I'm not mistaken.
[00:39:56] Speaker B: I think it's in Matthew 19:10. Let. Sir, what.
You talking about? The.
[00:40:06] Speaker C: I got a machine.
Matthew 9, 10, 11, 12, probably 10:13 instructions for service. I thought it was much later, and I may be wrong.
[00:40:16] Speaker B: That would be the first time. But, yeah, it's.
[00:40:18] Speaker A: Here it is. 1016. Matthew 1016.
Behold, I send you out a sheep amidst wolves. Be shrewd as serpents and innocent.
[00:40:26] Speaker C: And so what I was wanting to say is. All right, what is the context there? Because that does kind of play into it.
[00:40:31] Speaker A: It.
[00:40:31] Speaker C: And that context is I'm sending you out into the world to be my witnesses. You're going to face persecution, you're going to face accusations. You're going to face things that may not go the way you want them. And when you do, all right, that's when you are wise as serpents and harmless as doves. And exactly how does that show itself? You know, I think it's.
I think it's just each situation is going to kind of. Kind of weigh that out.
What verse is that?
[00:40:59] Speaker A: Matthew 10:16.
[00:41:01] Speaker C: All right, I gotta. I'll memorize that now.
[00:41:04] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't think. I never connected that one as being. I mean, behold, I send you out a sheep, and mits of wolves is a very famous verse. And then I'm sitting here trying to figure out, where is that. Be shrewd as serpents, gentle as doves is the second half of that verse.
[00:41:18] Speaker C: Yeah.
You're basically gonna go before the governors. You're gonna go before the Gentiles. Brother will betray brother.
I mean, it is a ugly picture of what can face the child of God or the obedient child of God as you go into the world. And that's where I think the real gist is. All right, so this is having to deal with how we act towards outsiders, too, towards the lost. And I think that also is. Let your speech be seasoned with salt.
You know, let every action you do be a reflection of me, those type of things.
So I don't know that necessarily correcting someone is not being like Christ. I think it's just how we go about doing it and using the speech that's seasoned with Saul and measured with grace.
[00:42:06] Speaker A: Well, in the end of that passage is when they hand you over, do not worry about how or what you were to say, for it will be given you in that hour what to say. For it is not you who speak, but is the spirit of the Father who speaks in you. So it kind of goes back to that. Walking by the spirit. If you're walking by the spirit, that he'll trust him to guide you through the situations instead of worrying your little head over what you're going to do or what you. I think I've told you before, I've caught myself. We've talked about it before. Catch yourself going ahead and planning what you're going to say. If this person says what you think
[00:42:36] Speaker C: they might say, why are you talking to them?
[00:42:39] Speaker A: That's right. It's like, wait till they say this. I know exactly what I'm going to say.
[00:42:42] Speaker C: Oh, man, that's. That's perfect. Lawnmower cut and grab time.
You can't have conversations from the past. I'm still having conversations five, six, seven years later. And like, why? Why?
[00:42:53] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:42:54] Speaker A: I'm having some that haven't that aren't going to take place till next year. Right. But I'm already planning them. And those are some of the ones that I felt the Lord kind of speak to me on and say, why don't you let them say that before you figure out what you're going to say back?
[00:43:05] Speaker B: You.
[00:43:06] Speaker A: You don't know what happened.
[00:43:07] Speaker C: You don't know the future.
[00:43:08] Speaker B: No, I think he's not telling us not to be prepare ourselves. I think what he's really saying, don't worry about it.
[00:43:15] Speaker C: Well, that's the biggest part of it.
[00:43:16] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it's don't worry about what you're going to say.
[00:43:18] Speaker C: Were you hearing people say don't prepare?
[00:43:21] Speaker B: No, I was just hearing that, you know that I was hearing that you weren't when I was equipped. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:43:32] Speaker C: That's because you are equipped.
[00:43:33] Speaker B: Yeah. You're equipped because you've been reading the Bible for 30 years or you also
[00:43:38] Speaker C: have the Holy Spirit inside both of them.
[00:43:40] Speaker B: Yes. And so I think the big thing is just don't worry about it. When time comes, you'll know what to say. Yeah.
[00:43:46] Speaker C: And I think a lot of it
[00:43:48] Speaker B: too is we've had that in our lives. All right?
[00:43:51] Speaker C: And I think. I think how you handle the situation, I think that really has a lot to do with it is be wise the serpent harmless and doves is. Think about every action you do has an impact on somebody.
And Sometimes you may not even think it does, but it can push somebody towards or somebody closer to the kingdom.
[00:44:11] Speaker B: And everything we do away from everything we do for is affect somebody else.
Pretty much.
You can be late for work.
That'll affect somebody.
Somebody might be trying to call her.
[00:44:27] Speaker C: I've heard it said no man's an island.
[00:44:30] Speaker B: Right?
Yeah, you got it.
Yeah.
[00:44:35] Speaker C: That's not in the Bible, by the way.
That's a famous quote. I don't know where from. What book?
[00:44:41] Speaker B: Island.
[00:44:42] Speaker C: The man is an island.
[00:44:44] Speaker B: It's not bum.
[00:44:45] Speaker C: It's not bum.
[00:44:46] Speaker B: I know.
[00:44:47] Speaker A: No.
[00:44:47] Speaker B: Well, you're saying what book, what book's it from? I thought you meant book of the Bible.
I don't know.
All right. I only read the Bible.
[00:44:56] Speaker C: Your homework is to find that. And I'll tell you, I, I quote
[00:44:58] Speaker B: from the Bible, not from other books. Oh, really?
[00:45:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:45:01] Speaker C: So you're not a well read man.
[00:45:03] Speaker B: Well, I'm well inspired.
[00:45:06] Speaker C: I got you.
It's okay to read other books.
[00:45:09] Speaker B: No, I do. Do.
[00:45:10] Speaker C: I know you do. You're like a dad gum bookworm.
[00:45:15] Speaker B: I, I don't. I'm not the person that reads novels. I like to read. No, no, non fiction.
[00:45:22] Speaker A: Well, I'll say.
[00:45:23] Speaker C: I'm, I'm so boring in my reading.
[00:45:25] Speaker A: The Bible is just about the only thing that I read because I don't like to read. Yeah, so I was talking about that
[00:45:30] Speaker B: the other day, I would say. But you, but you're on the computer a lot less reading.
[00:45:37] Speaker C: But what are you reading that's not a reading? A story or a theology or something.
[00:45:43] Speaker B: Research something. I mean, I'm just saying I do that.
Yeah, research or I do something.
[00:45:48] Speaker C: Emails do not count. That's high literature.
[00:45:54] Speaker A: But no, our group text does not count as reading for me.
[00:45:58] Speaker C: My, my reading is probably some. I sit back and I thought as we were talking.
I don't know that I've. Ever since high school or college, I don't know that I've read a fiction book or a storybook. I've read biographies. Yes, plenty of biographies. Because I love reading about men of God or women of God that have been used or something.
[00:46:17] Speaker B: That's true.
[00:46:17] Speaker C: And I love reading theology or like right now I've got two, two books that I'm. And I'm almost ready to recommend both of them.
The first one is the Crucified Life by, by Tozer.
Aw, Tozer. And there's some things in there I'm not quite upon that I don't know if I agree wholeheartedly with but it is a very fascinating read, and I love it.
[00:46:43] Speaker B: Who are you going to recommend them to?
[00:46:46] Speaker C: Recommend them all the time.
[00:46:48] Speaker B: I mean, you got somebody in mind? No.
[00:46:50] Speaker C: Somebody asked you read?
[00:46:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:46:54] Speaker B: I recommend y' all read this or whatever.
[00:46:56] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:46:56] Speaker C: Or you might. You might hear it touched upon in a sermon. Then, you know, there's some things that. Because you are influenced as you read read, especially theology books and the Scriptures, it influences you and the way you think and the way you act and the way. And so, yeah, you're a product of all the meditation and reading and the Lord working in you of all that.
[00:47:21] Speaker B: So this is going way off.
[00:47:22] Speaker C: Be well read. What was the challenge?
[00:47:25] Speaker B: I was reading a book. I can't remember. I still have it at home. But he was right on everything.
But as far as I could tell, I mean, salvation, grace and everything. Then he got into this, and I don't hear much about it anymore.
Was it that scientific method, you know, computer pick up words and says, like Bush, it will.
Or.
[00:47:52] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, it starts substituting, counting words. Everything else is always talking about.
[00:47:58] Speaker B: Yeah, I used to kind of. Of that's. That's good. But I don't think so, because it really is. They're doing it based on a translation, so.
[00:48:07] Speaker C: So I think that's called the. I think it's called the Bible code.
[00:48:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
You know what I'm talking about?
[00:48:13] Speaker C: It was about. It honestly was every bit of 20 years ago.
[00:48:16] Speaker B: Yeah. It had to be a long time.
[00:48:18] Speaker C: And what it was taking this word, every third word, every fourth word, every this, that, and other, and this would mean this. And then, you know, it's kind of
[00:48:26] Speaker B: like come up with a sentence.
[00:48:28] Speaker C: Do you know?
You know, who knows?
I don't want to say something bad. Nostradamus is. I mean, it's easy to take some mess he wrote 2000 years ago or 1500, and say, oh, see, he's talking about this.
I mean, and I think that's what a lot of it is of that biblical code is. Oh, see, they're talking about Kennedy here. I don't know that that is exactly.
[00:48:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:48:57] Speaker B: I don't think. I don't think the word of God is to be hidden.
[00:49:00] Speaker C: No. And I don't think that it's given to Kennedy. And what this is. That is. And 11-5-63.
[00:49:07] Speaker B: That is interesting. I thought. And I kind of. I kind of wanted to believe it, but then there was just too much again.
[00:49:15] Speaker C: Well, that. That's it.
[00:49:16] Speaker B: And it was.
[00:49:17] Speaker C: And, well, my response to it, because I remember being asked when it came out, my response is, look, I have a hard enough time reading this it as it is and understanding it. I don't need to start deleting every fourth letter and looking at this. I said, let me just, let me get it this way first. Then I'll start looking at the other.
[00:49:35] Speaker B: I don't think the word of God is to be hidden. It's to be read nor secret.
[00:49:41] Speaker C: And as you, as you find out, you don't hear about it anymore, do you?
[00:49:44] Speaker B: Oh, you do? Yeah, that's why, that's really why I brought it up. Because I haven't heard that in a long, long.
[00:49:49] Speaker C: But I do remember those.
[00:49:51] Speaker B: Well, I have a feeling.
[00:49:51] Speaker C: I do not recommend it.
[00:49:53] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't even. That's a heresy.
[00:49:56] Speaker A: I have a feeling that when we get to heaven and everything's revealed to us, that we will have light bulbs go off and we'll. Oh yeah. There was an awful lot that we didn't understand about the Bible. But I don't think it'll be up. It was in this code. I think it'll be one of these things that was hiding in plain sight. But yes, couldn't see it. That's it. Just like the saying, I'm going to
[00:50:20] Speaker C: come back from the dead.
[00:50:20] Speaker A: And they were all confused by. It could not have been more point blank simple than that.
[00:50:25] Speaker C: And I hate to be that guy, but I am not one of these guys that, okay, every time the Bible mentions this word, it means this, this and this. Why can't that word mean that? And why does it got to mean something else? And I know Jesus talked. Oftentimes the grapevine was Israel.
That's not argued. But there are some times that it's like, okay, anytime you see water in the Bible, it means this and you have to be careful with that. And I know I've kind of sometimes might mention it, but I try my best not. I want to let the text be the text and not borrow from or try to read into it that, okay, that means this.
And what happens is though, when you get into, I don't know, a revelation, then you begin to see, okay, maybe he is writing in something, that this stands for that. But it may not always be that. So I always just say, all right. As I read Revelation, what I'm keeping in mind is, okay, what's being revealed.
And if you look, it is the revelation of Jesus Christ. It is the apocalypso of Jesus Christ.
And so really it's the revelation of Christ. So I'm looking For Christ. Not, okay, this world event, this world leader, this, and it's in there. But at the same time, I don't know that that's the theme that I can be able to say, oh, it's going to be on this date and then this is going to happen. But I'm more in. Okay, so I see who Christ is and that he has won.
[00:51:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:51:51] Speaker B: I think Revelations is the one that really takes people down.
[00:51:55] Speaker C: Oh, down the rabbit hole. Yeah.
[00:51:57] Speaker B: And I think the purpose of it, and I could be wrong, but I think one of the main purposes of revelation is not to tell us what was happening, but this. The end, the last few chapters, you win.
[00:52:10] Speaker C: Yeah, that's right.
[00:52:11] Speaker B: I mean, the mark of the beast, everybody. You know, I think how many presidents spend the be, you know, 666.
[00:52:20] Speaker C: Ronald Wilson Reagan. I remember that his name was Ronald Wilson Reagan.
[00:52:24] Speaker A: I don't even know how they come up with. I don't even know what the numerology or whatever is to figure out what that nobody knows.
[00:52:30] Speaker C: Well, man, man, it's this sixes and symbol.
[00:52:34] Speaker A: I know what the 666 mean.
[00:52:36] Speaker C: An actual 6. I mean, I. I think that.
[00:52:38] Speaker A: How did they. How did somebody get 666 out of Ronald Wilson Reagan?
[00:52:42] Speaker C: Because his. Ronald is six. Wilson is six.
[00:52:45] Speaker A: Number of L. Okay, gotcha. Yeah. But isn't it also, like, there's a way that, like, each letter counts as a certain value and see, you can.
[00:52:53] Speaker C: And that's why I think you can
[00:52:54] Speaker A: take numbers and turn it into anything you want it to be.
[00:52:56] Speaker C: Just like Nostradamus.
[00:52:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:52:58] Speaker C: Oh, he's talking about a man will be riding on a horse. Oh, that must be Kennedy riding in a Ford.
[00:53:05] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, was it a Ford?
[00:53:08] Speaker C: I don't know. I'm just throwing that out, you know, and the sun is shining on him. Oh, so he's got a car. Convertible.
[00:53:16] Speaker B: It's just we try to.
I don't think there's a lot of growth.
At least it wouldn't be for me just to study prophecy. I know there's a lot of people that like to do that.
[00:53:28] Speaker C: Right.
I think it can be.
[00:53:30] Speaker B: I don't know. I mean, I mean, when I'm talking about prophecy, what's going to happen? I spend all my time, or trying
[00:53:37] Speaker C: to, Trying to spell out charts and all this.
I mean, because revelation does come with a promise.
[00:53:44] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:53:45] Speaker C: That the reader of this will be blessed.
That's a promise.
[00:53:50] Speaker B: I am very blessed. When I read those last few chapters,
[00:53:55] Speaker A: it's all going on you said something Sunday that I think is. Ties right into what you just said there. You aren't blessed by knowing the Bible. You're blessed by doing what the Bible says. That's how I paraphrase my notes. And I think that's an important thing is.
[00:54:10] Speaker B: Is that.
[00:54:11] Speaker A: Yes. Could there be some really cool, deep things that you might discover in the Bible?
[00:54:15] Speaker C: Absolutely, yes.
[00:54:17] Speaker A: But I think that
[00:54:20] Speaker C: one of those
[00:54:20] Speaker A: hiding in plain sight kind of things. I think the main thing overall theme is that you'll be blessed if you follow the big life. Love your neighbor. Love God, love your neighbor.
[00:54:30] Speaker B: Those be content too. I would say you will be. You can lay down and, and go to sleep and rest.
[00:54:39] Speaker C: Well, Jesus said this is the blessed life.
Knowing this, you know, the best life. And then he says, but you got to do it.
[00:54:47] Speaker A: I've heard you.
[00:54:48] Speaker C: And it's available. It's just. You got to walk in it.
[00:54:51] Speaker B: But it's not easy.
[00:54:52] Speaker C: No, but, but it's available because we're so.
[00:54:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I think you said it the best. I don't.
That you're a flawed pastor. Yes, but it's not. I mean, it's, it's. It's a.
I admire you saying that in front of people, but we're all for. We're all.
[00:55:10] Speaker C: Every last one of us.
[00:55:12] Speaker B: We all need help.
[00:55:13] Speaker C: Sunday we or Saturday after the. After Steve talked, I. I'd shared a little something. That's when the Lord laid on my heart with the men that, hey, it's okay not to be okay. That's, I think too many times. Too many times we.
2:40. That was. I've got a 3 o' clock meeting. Too many times we do put forward such a face that, okay, I got all my stuff together and we do that and it's okay not to be okay. And let's be honest and let's admit that, hey, we all hurt. Well, struggle.
[00:55:45] Speaker B: I'm having a good time. Can we move that? Point me to four.
[00:55:51] Speaker A: Another thing that we've. We've talked about this before and you've preached on it before, but it's. You can read Matthew 5 or 6, think 5 Blessed are the humble.
[00:56:05] Speaker C: Matthew 5, Sermon on the Mount.
[00:56:07] Speaker A: So you can take that.
And I think the way I understood it to begin with was if you will be humble, then you will be blessed. Almost like a. You do this and then you'll be blessed in return for it. And what I've learned is that being humble, being meek, being these things is actually the blessing itself. Humble people don't worry about things. As much humble people trust God, much
[00:56:32] Speaker C: more humble servants don't have to compete.
[00:56:34] Speaker A: That's right. That's right.
[00:56:35] Speaker B: And when you look at sports stars, doesn't it just, you know, somebody that's talking about themselves all the time, doesn't it just leave a bad taste in your mouth?
[00:56:44] Speaker C: Sure.
[00:56:44] Speaker B: And that other guy said we were just lucky, you know, or played his team.
[00:56:49] Speaker C: These guys do great. It's never about himself stuff. Yeah.
[00:56:54] Speaker B: So, yeah, I mean, just pride just looks.
Well, and it's because it just looks bad.
[00:56:59] Speaker A: Yeah, it looks bad to other people. But it's also the, the, the hidden part of that that can be really hard to get to is how much pride destroys you from the inside. Because it's pride that makes you angry every time something doesn't go your way.
[00:57:13] Speaker C: Or people that get recognized think that they.
[00:57:16] Speaker A: When you set your level of entitlement to a 9.9, this is what I'm expected to get.
[00:57:22] Speaker B: Right.
[00:57:22] Speaker A: And you get a nine point, you've got now 9.8 points of that it could fall on. That's going to make you mad and only one that's going to make you happy.
[00:57:30] Speaker B: Right.
[00:57:30] Speaker A: When you set your expectations at a 2, then there's a good chance that things are going to be better than you expected. Right.
[00:57:37] Speaker C: When you realize, I'm not trying to please somebody or if they don't recognize it or not, I think that's where the freedom comes in is okay. If nobody knows this or appreciates it, it I did it for the Lord and the Lord told me to do it, I can move on. I think that is that. That was the thing that freed me up so much that all I was called to be, whether it was at Baptist Grove or at a teaching a Sunday school class, be obedient to what I've told you to be. If it reaches 1500 people, great. If it don't reach but 15, as long as you're being obedient as a humble servant. But I can walk away saying I did exactly what I was supposed to do and it does not bother you if the next pastor comes in and is better.
But doggone it, that's where we in our flesh begin to say, wait a minute. Well, I had this reason or I had this against me.
And you want to compare yourself to everybody. I'm so glad I don't have. Because what if I got to compare with others? There's a lot better people that can speak better than I can. I know. That sounded terrible. That was terrible. English. I know I have terrible English. I know there are some theologians that can outthink me under the table, but all I'm called to be is be faithful to what God's called me to be and what he's equipped me to be. Now, does that mean I just stay where I'm at?
[00:59:01] Speaker B: No.
[00:59:02] Speaker C: I want to get better. I want to study more. I want to study to show myself approved.
But whether I'm at a.
A church with 20 people or a church with 20,000 people, don't judge based on that. Judge on. Okay, is he being faithful? Yeah, and that. But. And that's what the Lord's going to judge on. So that's really all that matters.
[00:59:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:59:24] Speaker B: There you go. That's your sermon for next week.
[00:59:26] Speaker C: That was my sermon last week.
[00:59:28] Speaker B: Okay, well.
[00:59:29] Speaker C: Yeah, well, this week.
This week is communion. And I am leaning towards a passage that, I don't know, I may change. I'm glad I've got time because I don't have to speak Wednesday night and everything else. So I really haven't even really started diving deep into what we want to do in communion other than I think it's going to be. Hebrews 2. And it says this. For this reason we must pay much closer attention to what we have heard so that we do not drift away from it.
[01:00:02] Speaker B: Hebrews 2:1.
[01:00:03] Speaker C: For if the word spoken through angels proved unalterable and every violation and act of disobedience received a just punishment, how will we escape if we neglect so great a salvation? Hebrews 2:1:3. And I think my two points is going to be all right. Are you growing or are you drifting? Because communion's a time to examine your life. Are you growing towards Christ or are you drifting away from Christ? This is a time to examine. Number two, are you. And the other one is neglecting. So I got to come up with the opposite of neglecting. Are you cherishing or are you neglecting? And are you giving yourself to seeking the Lord? Are you neglecting it and neglecting such a great salvation? So I think that's going to be the two points. And really it's going to be a time of examination, soul searching, and making sure that we are ready for communion. But also, man, just think about this great salvation and what we've been given.
So that's it.
So pretty.
[01:01:08] Speaker B: Either you say two or one.
[01:01:11] Speaker C: Hebrews Chapter two.
[01:01:12] Speaker B: Okay, I've been. And then turn two. But I was letting know, looking over here, I couldn't find you what you
[01:01:17] Speaker C: dot, dot, one and two.
And then I'm he's either they going to be that one or it's going to be Colossians and Colossians chapter two.
[01:01:33] Speaker B: What is Colossians chapter two?
[01:01:37] Speaker C: Colossians chapter two is a good one. Verses 23 and 24.
[01:01:40] Speaker B: Oh, okay. Is that the.
[01:01:42] Speaker C: Well, it deals more with what communion's about salvation and sacrifice. No, what Christ did.
[01:01:50] Speaker B: Oh, okay.
Well,
[01:01:55] Speaker A: we're at about an hour and. And if you've got a meeting at 3, we might not want to get wound back.
[01:02:00] Speaker C: No, no.
Plus, I need to. Need to run take care of some business before that meeting.
[01:02:05] Speaker A: All right.
[01:02:06] Speaker C: It's going to be a long one.
[01:02:07] Speaker A: All right.
[01:02:07] Speaker B: I'm just going to stay here and eat. If you can. Okay.
[01:02:10] Speaker C: Come on. My office. I got a bunch.
[01:02:12] Speaker A: And he's got another thousand calories. Mr. Good Bar Thing.
[01:02:14] Speaker C: It's this diet, man. It's amazing to me. It's called to eat everything and still lose weight.
[01:02:19] Speaker B: I have my boy.
[01:02:21] Speaker C: What'd you do, reset your metabolism?
[01:02:22] Speaker B: Them? I don't know. I. I've dropped over 10 pounds.
But I'm not really trying to. That's the thing. I'm just believing, man.
[01:02:33] Speaker C: Your faith is great.
[01:02:38] Speaker A: That's awesome.
[01:02:39] Speaker C: Love, man.
[01:02:40] Speaker A: Love, you guys.
I don't know if we got enough candy on the screen hold.
[01:02:46] Speaker C: I think we need some more with this.
[01:02:48] Speaker A: I got to edit that.
[01:02:50] Speaker C: That's not bad, but.
[01:02:53] Speaker B: Hey, I got an email.
[01:02:55] Speaker A: Preacher said so.
[01:02:56] Speaker C: Thank you.
