Episode Transcript
[00:00:02] Speaker A: You walk down this path long enough, you get to a point where you get to a cliff that's 30ft down and 10ft to the other side, and
[00:00:07] Speaker B: he's telling you jump.
[00:00:09] Speaker A: And you're like, no, this doesn't. This is stupid. I can't do this. And he said, well, you know, have faith. I'm like, faith's what got me to
[00:00:18] Speaker C: the top of the cliff.
[00:00:19] Speaker A: Okay. Like, I don't.
[00:00:21] Speaker C: Hope is faith on steroids.
Faith. Faith says, okay, I believe it. But hope says, no, it's as good as done, and I'm counting on it. And the hope that we have, the hope that these promises are true. The hope. Well, my faith says, I believe it, but then that hope carries me on. Well, that hope and that trust are kind of the same. Same thing is that confident expectation that all these promises, everything he says he's going to do, then I'm going to live my life that way, not even worrying about the consequences. Cause what consequences?
[00:00:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
All right, let me find my john. Six was your last sermon, right?
[00:01:02] Speaker C: Yes, it was. Yes, it was.
[00:01:03] Speaker A: We didn't get to talk about that last time.
[00:01:05] Speaker B: Really?
[00:01:05] Speaker A: I don't think so. We got. We got a little sidetracked last time on the. I've been. I've had a little. I've been on the self righteous pharisee type for a couple, I guess now. So we're gonna get off of that. I'm gonna jump on me today, I
[00:01:19] Speaker C: think a little bit.
[00:01:19] Speaker A: So what you working on?
[00:01:21] Speaker C: Yeah, what you got?
[00:01:22] Speaker B: No, I was just.
Nothing for this.
I just wanted to finish something. I had something in my mind. Yeah, I'm here now.
We haven't opened yet, so I.
[00:01:34] Speaker A: Does it really matter, Kim? Once we open, that don't mean
[00:01:39] Speaker B: we're on.
[00:01:40] Speaker C: Yeah, he didn't tell us. He just hits the red button.
[00:01:42] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I go ahead. Usually go ahead and hit the red button when I get here. That way I don't have to worry about getting back up. And I just cut out the. Usually about the first 15 minutes. That's where my gas gold run.
[00:01:52] Speaker C: That's gold.
[00:01:53] Speaker A: That's where the gag rule comes from. Had a interesting thing happen yesterday. So I was recording a podcast for work and it was only the second one I'd done with this. This group.
[00:02:03] Speaker B: Right.
[00:02:03] Speaker A: And I get on there. Now these. I'm not on the show. I'm just producing. So I'm just listening to the recording. Well, this lady gets on the first person on. I didn't know them. They were the guest and she's. She comes on there and she starts, you know, I need you to move back your camera this way. I need you to do this. And the host gets on and she's like, now, I don't like your lighting. I need you to do this. I need you to zoom out here. And I'm like, okay, who is this person? And she's like, she's running the show.
Well, we start recording.
I don't care. It's not my show. So y' all do whatever you want. They've obviously invited this person on. When they do the introduction. They said, we're thrilled to have so and so. So and so. You may recognize her from WKNP News, blah, blah, blah. She was a news reporter. I'm like, ah, now I understand why
[00:02:44] Speaker C: you took control by the lights and what she wants.
[00:02:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:48] Speaker A: And I was taking notes, man, from an. For an interviewer. I mean, you could tell she was. She was ready to go. Yeah, doing so it was. It was really cool watching a pro actually do it. I didn't know we were bringing pros in.
[00:03:00] Speaker B: That would have been nice. You got that going on.
[00:03:03] Speaker C: Well, this is definitely amateur album.
[00:03:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:07] Speaker B: You're.
[00:03:09] Speaker A: This is the opposite side of the grind.
[00:03:10] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:03:11] Speaker B: You've lowered yourself.
[00:03:12] Speaker C: Got anything prepared?
[00:03:16] Speaker A: Kenny says it's Thursday.
[00:03:17] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had to move it to a different day this week between weather and meetings and everything El. Else. And meeting at lunchtime, too.
[00:03:27] Speaker A: Well, I brought guests with me today, so y' all wave, get back.
[00:03:31] Speaker C: Yeah, I love it.
[00:03:33] Speaker A: So they're. They're always asking me, Gabe and Reese.
I. I don't understand this. So they were out of school Monday, Tuesday.
They were back yesterday.
But they had winter break already scheduled for Thursday, Friday. I don't understand why you get winter break three weeks into the semester.
[00:03:48] Speaker B: You.
[00:03:49] Speaker A: They've just been out for two.
[00:03:50] Speaker C: Look at them. They look like they've been studying.
[00:03:52] Speaker B: Tired.
[00:03:52] Speaker C: They're so industrious.
[00:03:56] Speaker A: But they probably asked me some of the best deep theological questions that I ever hear. So I thought, you know what? I'm going to cut out the middleman this time.
[00:04:04] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:04:05] Speaker A: Rather than making y' all sit around at home, I'm going to bring you with me, and you guys be in the canon direction with y'.
[00:04:09] Speaker C: All.
[00:04:10] Speaker A: Gabe's biggest point this morning was, do you sleep in heaven?
[00:04:14] Speaker C: I don't know, man. That's a great question. I don't know. There's an answer, per se, because we're not even sure exactly what we're going to be like, except the Bible says that we will be like him, meaning Christ.
So what does that mean, resurrected body?
I'm sure. I mean, the resurrected body ate because he asked for fish after he was raised from the dead.
So if he ate, I don't know, it's good possibility he could sleep. But we don't know that for sure.
[00:04:39] Speaker A: I said I didn't know.
[00:04:40] Speaker C: But. But the fact that he asked for fish and ate it to show that he wasn't a ghost tells me. Okay, there may be some not necessarily physical stuff we have to do, but it bears a reason.
Who knows? We might be kind of like Energizer bunnies don't need to sleep. We've got plenty of energy and perfect body, so.
[00:05:02] Speaker B: And you can go through walls. Yeah, he went through the wall. That's about all I know.
[00:05:07] Speaker C: That's it.
I wish you did tell us more of what I know there's going to be a lot of worship, so we'll get that. What's going to be in heaven? A lot of worship, A lot of, I think a lot of rejoicing, a lot of. Lot of things like that. But yeah, the day in, day out stuff, we have homes. When Jesus says John 14, in my house are many dwelling places, so there's going to be kind of homes. So I don't know, are these like apartment buildings or are we talking houses?
Somebody, Some translated mansions, I don't know. So we know we're going to have places to live. So that kind of tells me we might have a place to sit down and sleep.
[00:05:45] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:05:47] Speaker B: So I just think it's hard to understand on this side of heaven.
[00:05:50] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:05:52] Speaker B: Even if he showed us everything, we just. This side, we just can't understand it. No, it's like salvation. The prophets and, you know, Moses and the prophets, they couldn't understand salvation, but we get it.
[00:06:06] Speaker C: That's right.
[00:06:08] Speaker B: You know, they struggled to see how is this going to happen. So I think it might be kind of like that.
[00:06:13] Speaker C: And Gabe, I would also just say this. I promise you, whatever it is or isn't, it's going to be good.
[00:06:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:20] Speaker C: So I think that's the thing that I'm going to hold on to is, you know, I'd love to know all the intricacies of. Okay, well, what kind of food are we going to eat?
What's our diet going to be? What's for supper the first night?
That'd be kind of cool to know. But at the same time, I can trust it's going to be good.
[00:06:37] Speaker A: There was a time, I don't know if I've ever told the story on here or not, but. And I don't remember exactly where we're going, but when gabe was probably 4 or 5,6ish, somewhere like that, we were going somewhere and I didn't tell him where we were going. It was a surprise. I can't remember if it was a basketball game, football game, or it might have even been a concert, whatever it was, or something I knew he'd be really excited about, but also didn't tell him about it until the last minute because I knew if I told him for the next two, three, four, five weeks, everyone was going to be how many more days? How many more days? How many more days? And I just didn't tell him.
So on the way there, he's just bugging the crap out of me. How much longer? How much longer? How much longer?
[00:07:15] Speaker C: Which way we're going?
[00:07:15] Speaker A: And I'm sitting there thinking, if you had a clue where we were going, you just, you wouldn't be bugging me about it. You know, you'd just be excited about where we're going. I think about that sometimes with. With the. The things that we don't understand.
I think there's a lot of things that if we only knew where we were headed, we wouldn't worry quite so much along the way about how long it's going to take to get there, what it's going to be like.
[00:07:36] Speaker C: So do you remember, do you remember that?
[00:07:39] Speaker B: I don't remember asking.
[00:07:41] Speaker C: He was heard to me. Bob Seeger concert.
[00:07:43] Speaker A: I was thinking, is that what it was?
[00:07:45] Speaker C: Okay, so my question is, did it live up to. Was it the Bob Seeger? Not a cover band, the Bob Seeker?
[00:07:52] Speaker A: I wish. I don't.
[00:07:53] Speaker C: Was it. Did it live up to the hype?
[00:07:56] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:57] Speaker C: Okay. Because that's the thing is sometimes if you do that, you got to be careful. If you do that building up ain't going to tell you, ain't going to tell you. Then it doesn't live up to the hype of, oh, you just took me to McDonald's, what is that about, you know, versus heaven's going to be the exact opposite. All this. That we have this expectation and looking forward to it. It's going to be far exceed anything we ever thought. And so I think that's the thing, is you're not going to be disappointed. Even though, man, I wish I knew more. Yeah. But at the same time, it makes it even better. This has got to be great.
[00:08:28] Speaker A: I Think it might have been the Bob Searcher concert. Because I remember we bought the tickets for that thing. Like he was. This would have been.
You would have been five or six.
[00:08:40] Speaker C: Where was.
[00:08:40] Speaker A: He was. It was in Greenville, South Carolina.
[00:08:42] Speaker B: Okay. Huh.
[00:08:43] Speaker C: So I would have gone.
[00:08:44] Speaker A: He was on his farewell tour. It was greatest one that I thought there was going to be. He ended up actually doing them in Raleigh a few months later. Went to that one too.
[00:08:50] Speaker C: But he was Greenville. I'd go.
[00:08:51] Speaker A: He was obsessed with wanting to see Bob Seger. And I was like, this is probably the best chance we're ever going to give.
[00:08:55] Speaker C: His favorite song.
[00:08:56] Speaker B: I think that was still the same as One of Us.
[00:09:00] Speaker C: Yes, that's a good one.
Still the same. Yeah, I gotta give you that.
[00:09:06] Speaker A: Still the same.
[00:09:07] Speaker C: Turn the page all time Rock and
[00:09:08] Speaker A: roll is one of your things.
[00:09:09] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:09:10] Speaker A: Turn the page against the wind.
[00:09:13] Speaker C: Against the wind.
[00:09:14] Speaker B: That's good.
[00:09:15] Speaker C: That man's classic. He's one of my favorites.
[00:09:17] Speaker B: Oh, he's great. I liked him. He was.
[00:09:19] Speaker C: Well, we were gonna go see a cover band last. Last October. I was trying to get y' all to go.
[00:09:24] Speaker A: Remember Seeger?
[00:09:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:25] Speaker C: There's a cover band. I think they were called either Hollywood Nights or something like that. It's named after that. They were gon at a place in Raleigh that has like a nice little place. So I was going to get. Get y'. All. And it was the folks that went on the Dwight Yoakum slash, which by the way, coming up in May.
[00:09:44] Speaker B: Yeah, Dos amigos.
[00:09:47] Speaker A: My mom didn't believe that, but I said, I'm going to a DWight Yokom and ZZ Top concert. She said with Ben?
[00:09:52] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:09:53] Speaker B: Oh yeah.
[00:09:53] Speaker A: She could not.
[00:09:54] Speaker C: Oh, no. Listen, when you see us play, finish the lyric. Friday night. Next Friday night at the Valentine Bank. We're going to find out, man. I. I've always been a music fan, so. Bob Seger. I was listening to Bob Seger when I was your age and younger. I mean, that's how long he's been around, so. But he's classic.
[00:10:11] Speaker B: Is he still playing?
[00:10:13] Speaker C: I don't think so. That was his farewell.
[00:10:15] Speaker A: Farewell to her.
[00:10:16] Speaker B: Well, sometimes they come back.
[00:10:17] Speaker C: Yeah, Well, I give him about another two or three years. If he's still alive, he'll come back for a little bit more.
[00:10:23] Speaker A: He made a joke at the last. So we went. We went to a second one when he came to Raleigh.
[00:10:28] Speaker B: When was that? What year was it?
[00:10:30] Speaker A: 2018 was when I took him. And then 2019 he came back.
[00:10:33] Speaker C: Raleigh going to be in this area
[00:10:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I was going, actually.
[00:10:38] Speaker B: Wasn't dad dancing with pole?
[00:10:40] Speaker A: Yep. Edit that out too.
[00:10:42] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:10:42] Speaker A: She's found her a little pole, but.
[00:10:46] Speaker C: But now. Now, now, now, if I'm not mistaken. Now, his shows were not like show shows. He stands there and sings pretty much.
[00:10:54] Speaker A: Yeah. He's got a big band with him.
[00:10:56] Speaker C: You almost need to charge him rent on the stage. He's not moving around or.
[00:11:00] Speaker A: Well, he's 75.
[00:11:01] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:11:02] Speaker A: So he might have been. I was just trying to find his.
[00:11:04] Speaker C: Kind of like the Eagles.
[00:11:05] Speaker A: He's 80.
He plays. He plays guitar in some of them, but.
[00:11:10] Speaker C: But don't have all the. It's.
[00:11:12] Speaker A: No, it's not Tons of lots and all that kind of stuff. Although it was funny walking in music. Yeah. Walking into that place, though.
[00:11:18] Speaker C: I mean, Gabe. I bet there was some ancient, though.
[00:11:21] Speaker A: It was. I think me. There were three of three adults and Gabe. And I'm. I'd say Gabe was the youngest human being in that building by. Oh, yeah, 25, 30 years, easy.
[00:11:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:33] Speaker A: But they actually gave him. I don't know if you still got it. Probably not. But when we were finishing up, we were leaving.
One of the road crews, I guess, had seen him somewhere along the line, and they brought him the set list and gave it to him.
[00:11:45] Speaker C: No way. So that was pretty cool. Awesome. You still got it. You saved that.
[00:11:50] Speaker A: I think we got it somewhere.
[00:11:51] Speaker C: I might even want it. If you don't have it. Yeah, I'll buy it from you.
[00:11:55] Speaker A: It's the list of all the songs he played.
[00:11:57] Speaker C: They got.
But they got him up on the stage. Sometimes they're taped on the floor. We're going to sing Hollywood Nights, then this, then this, then break. So everybody knows they're on the same page.
[00:12:06] Speaker A: Yeah, we got to. I leveraged him a lot for that thing that he had this sign that he was holding up and stuff. And our seats weren't bad. They were on the floor, but they were back probably, you know, 25, 30 row. And I walked him up to the usher there and said, do you mind if we. And he let us go up to this. We got to about the second row.
[00:12:22] Speaker C: Yeah, the. Oh, that's cool.
[00:12:24] Speaker B: Was.
Was it crowded? I mean, was it a lot of sold out as far as getting there? Was it hard to get there?
[00:12:30] Speaker A: Yes. In fact, when we got close, we were in separate cars. I had Gabe and then the other two were in a different car. And I didn't think I was gonna make it. We got about an hour out, and I've hit traffic.
[00:12:42] Speaker B: Traffic?
[00:12:43] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:12:43] Speaker A: If there had been there, it didn't say anything about an opening act on the ticket. So I was thinking if he starts at 7, we're late. But he didn't. When we got in there, it was an opening.
[00:12:52] Speaker C: He didn't get there till 9, probably.
[00:12:54] Speaker A: He didn't start about 9 o'.
[00:12:55] Speaker C: Clock.
[00:12:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I remember the Rolling Stones came and there's a lot.
[00:12:57] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, yeah. That was a nightmare.
[00:12:59] Speaker B: Yeah, but I'd already seen them, so I anticipate on that one.
[00:13:04] Speaker A: No, that was a cool time, though.
[00:13:05] Speaker B: So it did live up to it.
[00:13:06] Speaker A: But I didn't tell him about it for a long time because I knew he'd bug me, you know, counting down the days and counting down the miles on the ride. So I didn't tell until we got close. How far away?
[00:13:14] Speaker C: Well, Greenville, South Carolina's a.
[00:13:16] Speaker B: About a four and a half.
[00:13:17] Speaker C: Yeah. Four hour ride, so.
And it's aggravating.
I hate going to Greenville South.
[00:13:23] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a rough trip.
[00:13:24] Speaker C: I had to go right before Christmas. I don't care if I have to go again, man, I'm telling you, I've only been born in that place like this. Like to play.
[00:13:31] Speaker A: Greenville's a pretty cool town once you get there. I mean, it's a. It's a pretty town. It's nice.
[00:13:36] Speaker C: It is, it is.
[00:13:37] Speaker A: Just getting there, getting there.
[00:13:38] Speaker C: Got to go through Charlotte. Then you got. Oh, I 85.
[00:13:42] Speaker A: I can't stand it. You get 85 south of Charlotte and it turns into Talladega.
[00:13:47] Speaker B: It is.
[00:13:47] Speaker C: It's awful. It's awful.
[00:13:49] Speaker A: Welcome to the other 167 with Garrett, Kenny, Ben, Gabe and Reese.
[00:13:54] Speaker C: This time that's people changing trucks blocking.
[00:13:57] Speaker A: Oh, the minimum speed limit's about 85.
[00:13:59] Speaker B: Really?
[00:14:00] Speaker A: And. And if you are less than two car. More than two car lengths away from the car in front of you, somebody's gonna fill that spot.
[00:14:06] Speaker C: And you got trucks who are in the left two lanes, which, you know, jam it up to where everybody's passing. I mean, it's bad. I hated it.
[00:14:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
Where's 85 going from? From Charlotte to Atlanta. Okay, well, that makes sense.
[00:14:22] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know where it goes.
[00:14:24] Speaker C: And when you get to Atlanta, it really becomes fun.
[00:14:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:14:28] Speaker C: I had somebody pass me one time in Atlanta. I know he was doing every bit 140.
I was. Because I was moving 80 and he was good.
[00:14:37] Speaker B: 80 times. About my limit.
[00:14:39] Speaker C: Yeah. I don't want to go reverse.
That's great, man. I like that. I like that. Hold's a good One.
[00:14:47] Speaker A: So Reese's last cheer competition. I looked at the times wrong. I thought she started at 11:25. She was supposed to arrive at 11:25.
[00:14:55] Speaker B: Oh.
[00:14:55] Speaker A: So Heather took her. So I was, you know, I didn't worry about getting her there, but I thought I was running late. And I'm not going to say out loud how fast I was going, but I beat the GPS time, put it that way.
[00:15:08] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:15:09] Speaker A: And I got there and I rush in there, and I looked at the phone, and her arrival was 11:25. She was performing at like 12:38 or some random time like that. So I said, okay, well, I've rushed for nothing, but at least I was there on time.
[00:15:22] Speaker C: Was this at the Civic Center?
[00:15:24] Speaker A: It was at the Coliseum complex up there.
[00:15:28] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:15:28] Speaker A: At the Greensboro.
[00:15:29] Speaker C: Oh, this was in Greensboro.
[00:15:32] Speaker A: I can't tell you how many times I've been to Greensboro Coliseum in my life, But I went two weeks in a row, the monster trucks. And then the very next week was her cheer competition. So, yeah, I got. Got a couple of those. So. Well, I said, we've been on the Pharisees quite a bit lately. I'm going to share my.
[00:15:46] Speaker B: My own.
[00:15:46] Speaker A: I'm gonna get on myself this week, I think, a little bit or something. So. Something that I was a little surprised by, I guess. Remember we did a spiritual gifts survey a couple years ago?
[00:15:56] Speaker B: Yeah, those.
[00:15:58] Speaker A: Most of those, I would. They pretty much were in. In bracket terms, I'd say they went about chalk exactly the way I expected it to go. I scored like a three or something, I think, on, like, teaching in some of those areas.
And then there were others, like administration got a one, just like I expected. But there was one thing that I remember scoring high on that I didn't even know it was a spiritual gift, much less that I possessed it. And that was faith. I didn't really. I was like. I didn't think of faith as being a spiritual gift. I thought of that as just being something you had to have. And that's something that. Well.
[00:16:29] Speaker C: Well, I think. I think there's a lot of faith gets used quite a lot in a
[00:16:33] Speaker A: lot of different contexts.
[00:16:34] Speaker C: Yeah, there's saving faith, there's believing faith, and then the gift of faith. And all three are. Yeah, I think the spiritual gift of faith is one that is able to help others believe. It's one that says, hey, I see what God says. I can do it. I mean, I trust it, and you act upon it. So I think there's a lot that goes into what that spiritual gift of faith is. But a lot of times it is helping others to. Oh, man. You know, I think a lot of times pastors should have that because you're. You're wanting to encourage your congregation, encourage the folks that are under your care.
Hey, this is what God said. We're going to believe it.
[00:17:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:15] Speaker C: You know, hopefully you're pushing the church to step out into areas that they maybe haven't before, such as, hey, we're going to increase the missions given budget by $100,000.
[00:17:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:27] Speaker C: And I trust that God's going to do it.
[00:17:30] Speaker A: So I remember in that sermon that you preached on that you talked about spiritual gifts kind of being like muscles, you got to work them out.
[00:17:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:37] Speaker A: I'll tell you what I've learned.
Faith muscle.
Those are the, like the quads and glutes of the muscles. They hurt to work out.
[00:17:46] Speaker C: Don't skip like that.
[00:17:47] Speaker B: Yeah, don't.
[00:17:47] Speaker A: Don't skip them. And they're not a lot of. They're not fun to exercise. So as I've been just.
I've gotten, I guess to. Or I don't know if gotten to is. Is the right way of saying it or if that's even good English, but I've maybe had to exercise that muscle a little bit more lately than I would particularly care to. Somebody sold me something one time. It was the most.
[00:18:07] Speaker C: I.
[00:18:07] Speaker A: It was. I know the guy real well and I know he meant well, but this was about the most triple backhanded compliment I've ever heard in my life. I might have told you something for. But he said, you know, he said one thing I love about you, man. He said, it doesn't matter how bad your life gets or how hard things get. He said, you just always have a good attitude about it and you always think it's going to work out because. And see, if he'd have stopped there, fine. He said, because you're just so arrogant, you just think that you can overcome anything. And I thought, I think you meant that in a positive way.
But I mean, I do tend to, you know, it doesn't matter how good or bad. I mean, it's just. You don't have a choice. You just fight through it, pick up your end. That's right. But I've talked about this a little bit, but I felt like, you know, a while ago kind of being led in a direction. I didn't know if that was really God or not, but I kind of felt like it was. But he wasn't asking for anything big, so kind of took a Couple little steps.
And then, long story short, over time, he's given some validation, maybe along the way that, yeah, this is me that's nudging you here. But he's also started to ask for a little bit more. And when I wasn't paying attention, he's also been blocking off some of the other paths that I might have had as, like, escape routes to the point that it's almost like if I were given a metaphor for this, it was like, you walk down this path long enough, you get to a point where you get to a cliff that's 30ft down and 10ft to the other side, and he's telling you to jump.
And you're like, no, this doesn't. Doesn't. This is stupid. I can't do this. And he's. Well, you know, have faith. I'm like, fate's what got me to the top of the cliff, okay? Like, I don't. You know? And it's. Sometimes I'm reminded of that, you know, faith. Faith sounds. There's a fine line. I think sometimes it's hard to wrestle with what's the difference in having faith and just being stupid? Because sometimes I feel like the stuff that he tells us to do will sound stupid, and it may feel stupid.
And I almost got to the point where I was like, you know what? Fine, I'll. I'll jump, but I'm going to fall. Like, let's just like, well, I'll go ahead and maybe you want to teach me what it feels like to have a broken leg. But, you know, I know there's lessons and everything, but I'll jump, but I'm not going to have any. I don't have any confidence that this is going to go well. But if you insist on jumping, then fine, I will. But I don't know if that's. If that. I guess that has to do with faith. But it's. Sometimes I think the main point that I'm getting to there is that sometimes faith's gonna feel. If you're gonna exercise that faith muscle, it is jumping off.
It's.
[00:20:33] Speaker C: It's.
[00:20:33] Speaker A: You gotta jump first for him to catch you or whatever you want to say.
[00:20:37] Speaker B: But it.
[00:20:37] Speaker A: You gotta do some stuff that's kind of out there sometimes. At least it feels that way.
[00:20:41] Speaker B: You know, you talk about faith or trust him. I mean, that's a good question.
[00:20:45] Speaker A: I don't.
[00:20:46] Speaker C: I think. I think they go kind of hand in hand.
[00:20:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:47] Speaker B: Yeah, they do. But I was just.
I trust he works out. But if I'm Going to jump off the cliff and break my leg. I sure want a lot of that voice to be Auto.
[00:20:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:59] Speaker B: You know. Well, because it's not.
I've got to actually hear that one out loud.
[00:21:03] Speaker A: Well, it's not. And it's not necessarily that he's. He's done plenty of things along the way that I. That I can say, okay, I didn't think he could do this, but he did. I didn't think he could do this, but he did. Okay, So I don't think he can do this.
Deep down, I can tell you. No, I know he can.
I don't think he. I don't particularly think he's. He's going to, but I think he can.
[00:21:26] Speaker B: That's when he does his best work.
[00:21:29] Speaker A: I know.
[00:21:30] Speaker B: And that's.
[00:21:30] Speaker A: That's the hard part about it, is
[00:21:31] Speaker B: that I think sometimes you got to come.
You got to get humble or be humble for him to work things out.
And I didn't even know that.
[00:21:40] Speaker A: I think that's maybe what. When I said, I'm getting on my cell phone a little bit. The thing that I'm struggling with is if I'm being just objective about it and I'm not getting emotional in my head and all that kind of stuff.
It's not that I don't have. I don't have any reason to doubt him that he can or will or he's given plenty of getting the fleece. He's done that part of it, to say, okay, I'm here and this is what you do.
And the only thing that's holding me back is a lack of faith. And I've never had a lack of faith before.
[00:22:13] Speaker B: I think.
[00:22:13] Speaker A: I don't think. I've never had that. Okay, this is too big. I'm not. I don't trust you. I just don't. I don't.
I don't say I don't trust you, but I. Again, faith is one that got me to the top of the mountain with the cliff.
[00:22:24] Speaker C: So faith and trust, like you said, go hand in hand. I think. I think the. The ultimate answer is, you know, well, faith is always going to involve doing something a little bit scary.
If you're not stepping out into something, that's, how in the world is he going to do this? Or how is this going to happen? Okay, that sounds more like stuff I can do where faith says, no, God, you have never let me down in the past. Faith says, I'm going to trust you, that you've led me to this place and I'm going to trust that you're leading me to do it and making sure that like you said, once I see his hand, once I see where he's leading, then trust that he's going to take care of it. And who knows Mean. Hey, we, we never. I mean think about it. In your life over the last three years, there's a lot of things I never thought I'd be here. You never thought you'd be where, where God has you. But it's been step by step, little thing after little thing. And maybe this is one of those things that he's saying, okay, do you really trust me? And that's, that's really going to be part of our walk with him is there's going to be little steps. But one you to start taking those baby steps then it becomes we're going to start running. Yeah. And when you start running, that might, might be some big stuff jumping I've done.
[00:23:37] Speaker A: Maybe this is parasailing.
[00:23:41] Speaker B: Walk, run, jump, leap. Yeah.
[00:23:45] Speaker A: Well what are the things?
[00:23:46] Speaker C: Fly.
[00:23:48] Speaker B: We got a sermon right here.
[00:23:50] Speaker A: I think maybe one of the. This wouldn't be even in the top 10 biggest leaps of faith I've ever taken.
It would just be all the other nine. Release of faith in myself.
[00:24:03] Speaker B: Right.
[00:24:03] Speaker A: As opposed to leap of faith in him. And that's when he's really using hard against me on that. Is it? No, you. This is just the first time I've asked you to trust me to do something that you think not your own ability. You didn't have a problem doing stupid stuff when it was you doing it.
[00:24:16] Speaker C: That's right.
[00:24:16] Speaker A: But now I'm telling you to do something and you're, you know, you've tried to jump across 15 foot cliffs before on your own. I'm telling you to jump eight and you're scared to do it. It's like, well yeah, I was an idiot.
[00:24:27] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:24:28] Speaker A: I've established that now. But I'm. I kind of want to be a little bit safer nowadays and not maybe take so many stupid, you know, stupid chances.
[00:24:35] Speaker C: And I think that if you know it's him, man, don't, don't be.
There's part of me says don't be afraid.
[00:24:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:41] Speaker C: Because if you know it's him, I don't care if you do only make it seven, he'll do something to make it even make up the shortfall. I'm telling you if as long as you know it's him, that's the key. And, but that's, that's where that trust comes in. It Says, and that's that faith, too. That says, this is good as done. Yeah. You know, and I think.
I'm trying to think. Last night we did a study in Hebrews 10, and we're talking about faith, hope and love. And I was talking about faith and hope, and I made the comment, and I'm not sure I want to back it up and make sure I'm doing it right. Hope is faith on steroids.
Faith. Faith says, okay, I believe it, but hope says, no, it's as good as done, and I'm counting on it. And the hope that we have in heaven, the hope that these promises are true. The hope when my faith says, I believe it, but then that hope carries me on. Well, that hope and that trust are kind of the same thing. It's that confident expectation that all these promises, everything he says he's going to do, then I'm going to live my life that way, not even worrying about the consequences. Cause what consequences?
[00:25:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I like that. You just Nearby quoted Hebrews 11:1, didn't we?
[00:25:57] Speaker C: Well, we were in Hebrews 10.
We were in Hebrews 10:22, 25. And if you look at Hebrews 10:22 through 25, I made the argument that the three virtues of a Christian faith, faith, hope, and love, are all right there in 22, 23, 24, and 25. And so with the greatest of these being love, Faith in the fact of we draw near with the assurance of faith that he will receive us.
Hope in the fact that we cling to the assurance of Hope in verse 23, 24, 25 is, Let us encourage one another to provoke one another, in other words, to love and good deeds. So, yeah, that's where we were. But Hebrews 11:1, without faith, yeah. It's impossible to please God. Or faith is the substance of things hoped for. Yeah. And then Hebrews 11:6 is, without it, it's impossible to please God.
[00:26:52] Speaker B: So you were doing Hebrews.
[00:26:53] Speaker C: I was. I was.
[00:26:55] Speaker B: Well, you did very well just explaining right then because.
Yeah, I know where he was at.
I mean, you explained to where. I knew what chapter you were on, but I wasn't in the prayer.
[00:27:07] Speaker C: No, no, you. You do a great work with the Awanason now. I appreciate you, you know, last.
[00:27:13] Speaker A: You do the last one we. Last show we did, we talked about.
But Jesus is taking. I mean, I kind of want to go through the Gospels again in inventory. Not that just because he talks about something more times than others that makes it necessarily any more important, but if you. If you look through his teachings. There's certainly a lot of concepts that he hit on multiple times.
And in my mind I think when I off of just like top of my head memory. I always think of the Pharisees and self righteousness and judgment as being one of the big things that he taught about. And it was. But I think faith was one of the bigger parts of his teeth. I mean he rebuked the disciples for their lack of faith.
[00:27:51] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:27:52] Speaker A: As much or maybe even more than he rebuked the Pharisees for their self righteousness. And that's one that I overlook sometimes.
[00:27:58] Speaker B: I had never thought of that way, but that is probably true. But he did rebuke, rebuke his disciples a lot too. I just never really, I never put those together and disciples in the same. On the same level.
[00:28:14] Speaker A: Well that's really the two groups that he rebuked the, the most, if not exclusively other than the, you know, woman of the world going send them. Or the woman called an adultery going send them more little things like that like we talked about before. But as far as rebuke.
[00:28:28] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:28:29] Speaker A: No lack of faith to the disciples and self righteous Pharisees.
[00:28:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:34] Speaker C: I mean I think the Pharisees would be number one with a bullet because they get all the woe, woe unto the.
But yeah, the disciples, all the time he is, he's. He's rebuking them for. And usually it's a lack of faith. So if you put those together, lack of faith or going through the motions, pretending to be.
Maybe that's the two, two things. He really, really is hitting that just as much as anything else. But those two are prominent when it
[00:29:01] Speaker A: goes back to the greatest amendment. Again, loving God with all your mind, heart, mind, body and soul means faith. I mean that's.
[00:29:08] Speaker C: Yeah, that's.
[00:29:10] Speaker A: Couldn't probably sum it up in one word or lesson here more than that. But so I mean it makes sense when you think of it that way that that would be his big, you know, one of the big teachings. But he didn't spend a ton of time going around telling people don't do this, don't do this, do this, don't do that. I mean there was just a little bit of that, but most of it was high level faith and self righteousness.
[00:29:29] Speaker C: Well and I think, I think a lot of that was that it really wasn't a lot of thou shalt nots. I mean he hit on the commandments, but he always hit behind the commandments. You've heard it said thou shalt not commit adultery well, he goes to the very heart of it. Of, no, it's the heart behind the law. Not necessarily the rule itself, but the heart behind it. And I think that's the thing that God's more interested in than anything else is that genuineness, that heart that is behind the performance, not, not just doing for doing sake. That's why the book of Ephesians, just about every book that Paul wrote, for the most part, it deals with doctrine first. Then he goes to duty, or what we believe impacts how we behave. And so if we get our mind and our heart right, then our hands and our life should be right. It ain't gonna be perfect. I'm not saying that, but it would be that once you get your thinking right, it's going to impact how you live. And that was, that's a big piece. I mean, all of Hebrews, the first 10 chapters has been nothing but almost doctrine, doctrine, doctrine. He's greater than Jesus, is greater in his person. Jesus is greater in his priesthood.
Now since we have that, that rule and we have an advocate and we have access to the throne, he says, now let us draw near, let us cling to this hope that we have. Let us love one another, encourage one another. So it was all that, that we have, Jes, Our great high priest. Now we got these things we can do practically, so principle and then practice.
[00:31:03] Speaker B: So and what you're saying, like everything starts in the heart.
[00:31:07] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:31:08] Speaker B: That's where the sin starts.
[00:31:09] Speaker C: It's not in the heart.
[00:31:11] Speaker B: And that's where love starts. Everything starts with the heart.
[00:31:15] Speaker C: And I throw the mind in there too. Well, because sin, sin starts in the mind too.
[00:31:19] Speaker B: Well, mine heart, that's the same to me.
[00:31:23] Speaker C: But it all goes back to. A lot of that goes back to, okay, what, what is the truth? That's your mind. But then what do you really believe about the truth? That's your heart. So, so they go together. They really do.
[00:31:36] Speaker B: And the act, well, you already sinned anyway. I don't know how much sin, the actual act is what we see that you've already seen here, and that's what you're going to be.
[00:31:47] Speaker C: But, but being tempted is not sin. I mean, you can have the thought and you can even mess with the thought some, but then comes the time of all right, so what, what am I, what's. What's going to happen there?
[00:31:59] Speaker B: I would say sin is.
How does sin start in the heart?
[00:32:04] Speaker C: I mean, James says, first it starts with a thought. Then that thought gives way to a lust, and lust gives way to Desire and.
[00:32:11] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what I was thinking about.
[00:32:13] Speaker C: Yes, it's James. And so that really starts in there. And that would be trying to think. That's James 2, but it's in the book of James.
[00:32:20] Speaker B: I can't think of the word. I was trying to go deception, but that's what I was looking for.
[00:32:26] Speaker A: But go ahead.
[00:32:27] Speaker C: No, I'll find it.
[00:32:28] Speaker B: That's all I was going to say. Oh, I think you cleared it up for it.
I was going to say if you
[00:32:34] Speaker C: cleared it up too good, too well, no. James 1:14.
But each one is tempted when he is carried away, enticed by his own lust. Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin. And sin, when it has run its course, brings forth death.
So there you are. So again, heart and mind. I think that's why he tells us, set our mind. All the things that are above be transformed. How? By the renewing of your mind. And how's our mind transformed by the word of God?
[00:33:07] Speaker B: And one thing I do want to touch on is sin is in your heart, whether you do it or not.
[00:33:18] Speaker C: Well, I mean, Jeremiah tells us that the heart is deceptively wicked above all things.
[00:33:23] Speaker B: Now, we are because you want to do it. Yeah.
[00:33:26] Speaker C: But we are a new creation in Christ, so we don't have to.
And we've been given everything we need for life and godliness, so we don't necessarily have to do it, nor do we necessarily have to dwell on it.
[00:33:39] Speaker B: My question was.
[00:33:41] Speaker C: You didn't ask a question.
[00:33:46] Speaker B: My thought was, you go, well, sin is already is here. You don't necessarily have to commit act.
[00:33:53] Speaker C: No, you don't have to act on it.
Well, I mean, having a thought and having a temptation is not sin.
[00:34:00] Speaker B: No, no, we're human.
[00:34:01] Speaker C: That's. That's being human.
[00:34:02] Speaker B: But when you start to walk and lost it in it, that's where the sin is.
[00:34:07] Speaker C: And that baby just begins to be more enticing and more.
[00:34:10] Speaker B: Eventually it might be a physical end. Yeah.
[00:34:13] Speaker A: So having the thought is not a sin. Because I always think of that sometimes, like even the thought itself reveals the sinful nature.
Acting on it is going to make it a lot bigger.
[00:34:24] Speaker C: But I mean, let's. I mean, let's all be honest. There's always going to be that thought that comes in your mind that may not be the best thought. It might be something ugly. It might be something that was rude. It might be something that, okay, that, that's of the flesh and that's just a part of again, being fallen. Thing of it is. Am I going to act on. Am I going to take every thought captive to Christ? That's what Paul tells us to do. Because these thoughts can come into our head that are not necessarily, whoa, what is that?
That's not who I am. And. Well, then let's go back and let's get that thought and make sure that we. So having the thought to come up or even being tempted. No, Jesus was tempted.
[00:35:09] Speaker A: I mean, that's something maybe I haven't always. I'm not sure that I've understood that throughout. Well, because I've always thought of the sin, the, the thought as being the sin. Well, actually, I think if you continue,
[00:35:20] Speaker C: if you continue to dwell upon.
I think that's the thing is it starts in a seed form, and I don't know that having it in the seed form when it first comes up and then making sure you, you take it captive to Christ or making sure that you handle it. I don't know that I'd call that a sin as much as, okay, now when that baby begins to take seed and it begins to take root and you begin to dwell on that thought and you begin to think about, oh, man, that would be so fun to do that. Or that right there is so enticing that, man, it looks better than what God has for me, then that's where sin comes in. And so we have to be careful because, yeah, those thoughts can.
We can easily turn that. It almost seems like it is because I had a thought and I'm just going to go do it.
So it almost seems like it could be the same. But there is a. I think there is a time there because 1 Corinthians tells us that.
Well, everybody talks about that. He never puts on us more than we can bear. That's not true. That's in temptation. He never puts on more, but he provides a way out and that way out is okay. Rather than act upon that thought, no, Christ, I'm going to choose your way out. A little passageway that's around that. That temptation, so to speak.
[00:36:44] Speaker A: So I'll give you a real world example of this. So in the last week especially. But it's always the case. But I've probably had a dozen or more snide comments or snide emails or snide things like this that I read it and I'm like, I'm gonna write this back. Yeah, I'm ready to write this back. And I know I'm not actually gonna do it, but I just let it play out in my head a Little bit of. What would I say if I was
[00:37:07] Speaker C: gonna apply to that? Yeah, I do that.
[00:37:08] Speaker B: But.
[00:37:09] Speaker C: But then I want more time.
[00:37:10] Speaker B: But.
[00:37:10] Speaker A: But then by the time I'm done with it, it's like, I know I'm not. At the end of the day, I know I'm never gonna actually hit sim, so I'm not even gonna type the email. I'm not even gonna. And I quickly kind of just delete it and move on. Delete it. But see, to me, just the thought of, you know, of wanting to reply, that's a sin that I have to. I feel like I
[00:37:31] Speaker C: don't. I'm not sure that that is necessarily the wind.
[00:37:34] Speaker B: Good.
[00:37:35] Speaker C: I don't. Yeah. I don't know that I want to say that. That's the sin, I think.
[00:37:38] Speaker A: Kenny, hope you don't have to go.
[00:37:40] Speaker C: When you begin to respond back and you say something that's unwholesome, or you say something that's rude or you fire back. I don't know that. I don't know that. Okay. Just having the thought.
Look, we're all going to have thoughts that ain't right because we're fallen at the same time. It's what you do with that mind. Because this spiritual warfare we fight, it's a matter of.
I know he says it's a matter of the heart. I say it's also a matter of the mind. What are you going to dwell upon? Because I think that's where these things happen.
Case in point, you got more time on your hands. I've always found I got more time on my hands. That's when I can think more. More. More stuff that I probably shouldn't do or do. And so which one am I going to focus my mind on? And.
And so, yeah, so somebody responds, and you. You want to respond back, but not responding back to me shows. All right. That's spiritual maturity. Because the natural flesh response would be, let me let you hold it.
[00:38:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:38:39] Speaker C: Or let me let you get. You know. Oh, you gonna say that then? Look, I'm telling you, I kid you not. There are times when I'm on the lawnmower that I'm coming up with responses to somebody I wish I said in seventh grade.
[00:38:50] Speaker A: And it's like my favorites. When you start. When you start anticipating things, you think people are doing this. Yeah, yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready when you do.
[00:38:57] Speaker C: They say that I'm gonna come out.
Seinfeld had an episode on that. You know, George come up with a zinger 20 minutes later, and it's like, I wish I said that. And it was still stupid, but. But it's one of. We think about those things.
But now, all right, I'm not going to let that seed. I hate to keep going back to that illustration. I'm not going to let that take seed and take root and not act upon it. So I disagree because I don't know. The Bible doesn't tell us. In Matthew 4, did Jesus actually think about the rock and the bread?
I'm sure before the devil got there in those 40 days, he had to be thinking about some bread.
Now, well, the enemy coming and saying, now take these stones and turn them to bread. You know, you got the power. I'm. I'm sure that was a pretty serious temptation.
[00:39:48] Speaker B: Yeah. After 40 days and, you know, he's. He's part human and. Yeah, fully.
[00:39:53] Speaker C: Fully human. Fully God, fully human. Then again, how that works itself out. But I still believe he could have easily fallen to that. I mean, now there's arguments that he couldn't sin arguments. He could.
[00:40:05] Speaker B: I think he could.
[00:40:06] Speaker C: I think he could have, too.
I don't think the enemy would have spent so much time if he couldn't have.
[00:40:12] Speaker A: Well, they asked me the other day something that I think it seems Gabe probably asked me something along the lines. But, well, Jesus could. Could do anything he wanted to.
Technically, yes and no there because he gave up his powers to be fully human the way he was able.
I'm asking him not to explain this the right way.
The way he was able to walk on water, the way he was able to feed 5,000 with five loaves and two fish, was because he asked God to give him power to do that. God gave him the power to be able to perform these miracles, but he had forfeited the power to just do it himself without going to God first.
Is that because I've always kind of thought the same thing, what Gabe said. Jesus could do whatever he wanted to. He was Jesus. And even to the point that it starts to diminish even the temptation. Well, of course, he wasn't really tempted. He was God. He wasn't really suffering on the cross. He was God. He wasn't really. But no, he gave up.
[00:41:12] Speaker C: I think you're right in a way. I think you have to be careful with the wording. I like the wording of. He limited himself.
Philippians talks about. He made himself. Nothing the scripture says would be the kenosis or the emptying of himself. He still had powers and still could do these things. I think it had to do more with. He limited himself.
Meaning that, yeah, he was fully God. Fully man. But I kind of equate it to this, and I think we've talked about this. If I was going on a mission trip to a Spanish speaking country right now, I had Spanish in high school and I can barely order a taco at Taco Bell. And so the Spanish taco.
Yeah. Yes, tacos gotta be Spanish.
All right, so, so, so, all right.
[00:42:06] Speaker B: So.
[00:42:06] Speaker C: So I'm going to a Spanish speaking country. And so I know in two years I'm going to do it. So for two years I decide I'm not going to say anything in English. Everything I do is going to do in Spanish because I want to learn the language. So when I go down there, I can do it. Now, why do I do that?
It's because of my love for the Spanish people who want them to come to know Christ.
To me, that's kind of what Christ did. He limited himself. Now, could I still speak English anytime during those two years, I'm sure if you were headed out to a emergency, you were about to step out off a curb and a car was about to hit you, I'd say, garrett, look out. I wouldn't say alto. Yeah, Spanish.
I wouldn't say alto or halt or. I don't know how you would say it. Alto, blah, blah, blah.
Garrett, look out.
[00:42:56] Speaker B: Why?
[00:42:57] Speaker C: Because that's my English language now. I limited myself, but I can still speak English. I think what Christ did was he limited himself. He could still do everything he needed to do and more, but he was still human and he was still, still God. And why did he do it?
Because he loved us. Same way that I would limit myself for that mission trip.
It is a holding back, if you will.
Emptying yourself. Holding back, Limiting himself from being. Doing those things. So therefore, he did get hungry. Therefore he did feel sorrow in the fact that he wept.
He did get hungry, he slept. What else did he do? He was tired.
He got angry, just like we got angry, except he got angry of the right things. I mean, he was just like us, yet without sin. And at the same time, he was fully God too. Meaning all these miracles he did too.
[00:43:52] Speaker B: I mean, let me see if I get this right. He limited its power is what you're saying.
[00:43:58] Speaker C: Limited himself.
[00:43:58] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:43:59] Speaker C: Or he still had his power.
[00:44:01] Speaker B: Yes, but did he? And this is where I'm getting confused. Did he ask God to walk on the water or did he just do it automatically in that miracle?
[00:44:10] Speaker C: I don't know that he necessarily asked God to do that even the feeding of the 5,000 he just blessed, prayed for.
[00:44:17] Speaker B: But I'm asking you, the wooden.
[00:44:19] Speaker C: I mean, there are times when it looks like he was. I mean, I don't know if he.
[00:44:24] Speaker B: I don't know because that's how I
[00:44:26] Speaker C: was all his entire prayer life. Because he spent. Let's think about that. Yeah, he spent a lot of time in prayer. So, Lord, was it, Lord, help me to do this. Miracles?
[00:44:34] Speaker B: I don't know.
[00:44:35] Speaker C: It was that. I don't know as much as it was just communing with the Father. Now, what I'm saying is I think he is able to do those miracles.
Not necessarily.
I'm sure every one of them was in the will of the Father.
[00:44:47] Speaker B: Yes, but. But I'm. Well, I'm kind of going back into how we pray, right? Yes, God, but.
[00:44:55] Speaker C: But you. But you're asking about Jesus. That's what I'm saying.
[00:44:58] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying.
[00:44:59] Speaker C: We almost need to back away and be all right. How do we do it?
[00:45:02] Speaker B: Yes. I mean, that's how we do it.
[00:45:04] Speaker C: Yeah, that's why we had to do it.
[00:45:06] Speaker B: But I wonder if that's. And we only get one or two prayers from him. And then, of course, that's the Lord's Prayer.
I mean, I don't know exactly or I really don't know much about what he was praying for.
[00:45:18] Speaker C: Well, I mean, you have another prayer that probably tells me a whole lot about it being that, Father, if there's any way that you could remove this cup from me. I mean, to me, that tells me that he knew what the Father's will was. He knew what was coming at the same time he was praying, lord, if there's any other way that we can do this. But then he always comes back to not my will, but yours be done.
[00:45:43] Speaker B: And that's why I'm asking, do you think he actually.
I know you don't know the answer, and I don't know the answer, but do you think that he had to ask the Father on every miracle that he did?
And I'm not talking at the time when he had to perform the miracle in person, but did he pray about
[00:46:07] Speaker A: it before time, maybe, or even in his head? I mean, half my prayer from my head.
[00:46:11] Speaker C: I think that if you go and I'm going to give an answer that I have no, no grounds to defend. I hate to even answer it this way, but I'm going to borrow from Paul and just say pray without ceasing to me, I think that Jesus would Have had the ultimate perfect relationship with the Father. That, that relationship that when the father, he felt the father saying, go do this or do that or hey, that makes sen about this. There was a woman who touched the hem of his garment. He didn't do anything.
[00:46:43] Speaker B: Right?
[00:46:44] Speaker C: He didn't. I'm sure he didn't pray about that one because he even asked who touched me. I felt the power go out from me. Now, did he know who touched him?
I.
He's asking a question there, or did he just want to draw attention to the woman who touched him?
[00:46:57] Speaker B: So he had.
So what you're saying or what I hear you saying is his prayer life was so perfect, his relationship and prayer life.
[00:47:07] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:47:07] Speaker B: He knew in an instant what God's will was all the time.
[00:47:13] Speaker C: I submit that for your consideration.
[00:47:15] Speaker B: And I agree because of that.
[00:47:17] Speaker C: And I think that's one of the reasons. But I think that's also one of the reasons Paul tells us to pray without ceasing, that there are times that you don't necessarily. And know there are things that we need to pray weeks for. I get it. But then there are times in our day in, day out, you know, walk with the Lord that I believe he shows us things that. Lord, I was just thinking about that yesterday. I think that goes. Because what is, what is prayer in its ultimate, ultimate form? What is prayer? It's not asking God for things, conversation, it's relationship.
[00:47:49] Speaker B: So he was really.
And I think this is in the Bible, He. He was praying about the crucifixion a long time ago.
It just, he just didn't start, well, I'm going to die tomorrow.
[00:48:00] Speaker C: I'm going to be crucified or start praying on Thursday. Yeah, well, I mean, he knew. I mean, told his disciples numerous times that. And I think that's where he was already. I mean, think about it. He told his disciples several times, I'm going to be arrested, be given over to the authorities. Then I'm going. Basically he told them, I'm on, I'm going to be crucified. I'm going to raise again. And what would they always say? No, no, it ain't going to happen.
And so then that was one of the strongest rebukes he did of Peter. Get the behind me, Satan. So, so his mind was thinking already about it, but his disciples weren't. So yeah, I'm sure he was thinking.
[00:48:39] Speaker B: Well, he probably. I mean, he. Right, that's what I'm saying. He was our by time that we got here. Yeah, but he did falter on Thursday.
[00:48:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:48:48] Speaker B: He did falter some. Yes.
[00:48:50] Speaker C: Who faltered?
[00:48:51] Speaker B: Jesus, who was really.
[00:48:54] Speaker C: You saw the humanity.
[00:48:56] Speaker B: Yeah, humanity. That's.
[00:48:57] Speaker C: I don't know if I'd call it a falter as much.
[00:48:59] Speaker B: Well, that. Well, I was as. Not a fault. But he wavered.
[00:49:04] Speaker C: I think it just. Okay, the time is now.
[00:49:07] Speaker A: If you.
[00:49:07] Speaker C: If you look all throughout the. The Gospels, every time he does something, they wanted to arrest him, but his time had not come.
Now, Thursday night, but now it's a deadline.
It's real.
[00:49:19] Speaker B: He wavered in. Not in a. A simple sense, but just wavered in.
Can we.
[00:49:27] Speaker C: Yeah. Is there something else?
[00:49:28] Speaker B: Yeah. Is there something not.
[00:49:29] Speaker C: Not really looking forward to this ride.
[00:49:31] Speaker B: And a lot of times we just think of the crucifixion of a little bit of blood, but it was a whole lot messier than that.
[00:49:38] Speaker C: Well, I mean, he was beat to a pulp before he even carried his cross.
[00:49:41] Speaker B: Not even recognizable. Yeah. So if there's any movie that had probably the real picture of the crucifixion. Crucifixion. It had to be the Passion for me. Yeah.
[00:49:53] Speaker C: You mean it wasn't King.
[00:49:55] Speaker B: Kings, where.
Oh, yeah, two drops.
[00:50:01] Speaker A: Yeah, that was from the crown.
[00:50:03] Speaker B: No, I mean even. I mean, even Pilate, who was a very.
He was. He wasn't merciful at all. Right.
He was very evil. And he even was surprised.
I mean, somebody has been doing this all his life. You know, he was sh. He was taken back from what they did to him.
That just shows you how much he probably wasn't even recognizable.
[00:50:30] Speaker C: No, he wasn't. I mean, I'll just be honest with you. You get beat like that, hit in the face, spit upon, flogged within, you know, 39 lashes, your back's going to look like hamburger, your face is going to be three shades of purple and swolt and violent.
[00:50:49] Speaker B: Was. Pilot was a very violent man to begin with. And for him to see that and his violence.
Used to that type of violence. He was just shocked.
Yeah.
[00:51:02] Speaker A: You shifting just a little bit, I guess. Back to the sermon. We didn't talk about the sermon last week and. Or we didn't. We could have, I guess I tracked. But there are a few things that you said that I just kind of put stars beside here. I love the story that you told of works versus faith being like trying to fly a passenger plane yourself.
[00:51:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:51:21] Speaker C: I'm gonna tell the pilot. Slide over. I got this.
[00:51:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I got this one. I thought that was a really good analogy there because it's.
That's. That's exactly you can't sum it up much better than that.
[00:51:31] Speaker C: If I don't trust in my works. You're telling the one who knows how to do it. Yeah. Can do it. Yeah, yeah, that's right.
[00:51:37] Speaker A: And it's. And it's that so well. And it's funny too, because in a plane, you're putting your life in the hands of the pilot.
[00:51:44] Speaker B: Certainly.
[00:51:46] Speaker A: And it would be awfully stupid of us. I mean, I've watched a few aviation videos on YouTube. I don't trust you. I've seen some things where the pilots have done some things wrong.
I think I'll take. Yeah, I think I'll take this because I trust myself. And you know, it. It reminds me of the Holiday Inn Express commercial a little bit. You know, it's like, I'll handle this. I stayed in the Holiday Inn Express last night. But that's got to be about the way it appears to God sometimes. Like, you just get back, you know,
[00:52:15] Speaker C: Christ did it all.
[00:52:16] Speaker A: That's right. Yes.
[00:52:17] Speaker B: For all.
[00:52:18] Speaker A: But the two points that I've circled that were kind of related. The people wanted Jesus to be a king out of this, out of discontentment. That was something you preached on a couple weeks ago.
There's a lot of places in there where they wanted to be king and he didn't want to be. You know, he. Or he didn't.
[00:52:33] Speaker C: That didn't why he came.
[00:52:34] Speaker A: But I never really got the why he was against it so much.
[00:52:39] Speaker C: But that was.
[00:52:40] Speaker A: That kind of nailed it home for me that it's. No, it was because their motives were bad.
[00:52:44] Speaker B: Right.
[00:52:45] Speaker A: It wasn't just about his humility. It probably was somewhat to his humility, but it was also in his mission. Yeah, but another part of it was they didn't. They wanted it because of what he was. If it were. If it were a political campaign, which it was not.
[00:52:59] Speaker C: Right.
[00:52:59] Speaker A: They wanted it for what he was bringing, what his party was bringing to the table for him.
[00:53:04] Speaker C: As I said, man, he. He takes care of health care and welfare better than anything else.
[00:53:08] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:53:09] Speaker C: He can feed 5,000 with fish. And he heals people, man. What. This is the greatest thing ever.
Sign me up.
[00:53:16] Speaker B: But I. He also was tempting about power, too, in that last temptation.
[00:53:20] Speaker C: Sure, Worship me.
[00:53:22] Speaker B: And that might have been when they wanted it. That might have been.
[00:53:25] Speaker C: He might have been something. Kept on. Kept on through his life.
[00:53:28] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, they wanted him to be king, but he can't. He had to be prayed up enough. When I say pray.
[00:53:34] Speaker C: No, but. But walking with the Lord, resist that.
[00:53:36] Speaker B: So that Might have been a temptation every time they wanted to make him king.
[00:53:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:53:41] Speaker C: I mean, and even I submit that even at the garden of Gethsemane he
[00:53:45] Speaker B: could have walked away, could have called
[00:53:46] Speaker C: 10,000 angels and said, I don't want
[00:53:49] Speaker B: a part of this destroy the world.
[00:53:52] Speaker C: And he said I could do it.
[00:53:53] Speaker A: Well, and it said in
[00:53:59] Speaker B: wherever it
[00:54:00] Speaker A: is the temptation, it says in Matthew
[00:54:03] Speaker C: 4, I think Luke has nine. Luke 3. Go ahead.
[00:54:07] Speaker A: So it says in Matthew 4 that the devil left until a more opportune time.
Like you said before.
[00:54:14] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:54:14] Speaker A: Very, very good chance that that more opportune time was the garden of Gethsemane.
Even even though it doesn't talk about Satan being in the garden, very likely that that was when he came back.
[00:54:25] Speaker C: There is the temptation.
[00:54:27] Speaker B: But he was tempted in every way possible.
Yeah, yeah.
[00:54:30] Speaker A: But the temptation, the, the 40 days and the temptation.
[00:54:33] Speaker B: Well that's. So that's the only one that we know for sure that where he was tempted. But he was tempted in it every which way.
[00:54:40] Speaker A: Yeah, but in.
Even though it doesn't speak specifically of it in the Garden of Gethsemane, it's safe to presume, I would say it wasn't just that he had the opportunity of getting out of this. I'm sure he had an alternative on the table that was much, I would
[00:54:54] Speaker C: say that most opportune time. Right.
And I'm sure there was a lot, a lot of different times along the way.
[00:55:01] Speaker B: Had to be. I think just the Pharisees tempted him. And I, I think every time someone tried to crown him king, that was a temptation for him. Yeah. I think anytime where Jesus kind of, and I won't say anytime or every time, but when Jesus has to say, no, it's not, it's this way, not that way. I think that might have been a temptation for. Yeah, the devil was trying to tempt him.
Whether it was a temptation for him or not, I don't know. But.
[00:55:30] Speaker C: And how strong it was.
[00:55:31] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:55:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
One of the things that I jotted down from, from that you said they come. The, the all the other people following Jesus came with self serving motives. It wasn't about Jesus, but it was about the food that he provided or about the gifts, the miracles, things like that.
I started thinking about the parallels between our earthly relationships. That way if you've got kids, this is an obvious one, your spouse, it can be the same way. But you know, I, I do things for the kids, I get things for the kids, they thank me for those things and I'm glad I Appreciate it when they thank me for the things that I give them. But you don't want to be in a relationship where the appreciation is for the things. It's about the love that motivates the gifts. Jesus gives us things out of his love.
[00:56:16] Speaker B: Right.
[00:56:17] Speaker A: It's that love you want to celebrate. You don't want to be with somebody, you know, dating or a marriage relationship where you're with them because of the diamonds and the necklaces and the whatever else. Or it should be about the love that motivates those gifts, not the gifts themselves. And that is what we do a lot with Jesus is it's, it's self serving my problems. Fix them.
[00:56:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:56:38] Speaker A: And then when you fix them, thank you.
[00:56:40] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:56:41] Speaker A: And we love. It should be more about.
[00:56:43] Speaker C: How about more.
[00:56:44] Speaker B: Right, right.
[00:56:45] Speaker A: But that's exactly. I think how we are a lot of times is it's, it's focused and definitely how they were focused on the. What he could give them rather than the love that motivated him to give it in the first place.
[00:56:55] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. And that's the whole thing of John 6 is, no, you seek me because you want the bread.
[00:57:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:57:01] Speaker C: And not the bread from heaven. I'm telling you, there's one here that standing before you, that is the bread of heaven. And they were just wanting, give us more, you know, feed us again, you know, and that's so human. That's just part of being human. At the same time, don't fall in love with the gifts, fall in love with the giver and don't even worry about the gifts because he's blessed us abundantly, more than we could ever think or imagine. Look at the giver and his graciousness and his mercy. And rather than I didn't get enough because that's the old saying of the old man that I ran into an old friend the other day and he was happy. He said, man, my uncle died and left me a million dollars. Ran into him the next week and he was still happy. And he said, my aunt died on the other side and she left me $3 million. Ran into him the next week and he looked like he had lost his best friend. And I said, man, what in the world's wrong with you? And he said, ain't no funerals this week, you know, because that's sometimes how we are, is, oh, well, what's your next gift? What's your. What are you going to give versus no God? You have let me know you and you have saved me, you have redeemed me.
That's enough. And then on top of that, good gracious, you bless us with so much more.
So give back to the giver, not just the gift.
[00:58:22] Speaker B: Well, I guess that's Santa Claus.
Yeah. We look at holy Santa. Give me. Yeah. Go to the grocery store. I want this one.
[00:58:32] Speaker C: Give me, give me.
[00:58:33] Speaker B: That's not real love.
[00:58:35] Speaker C: No, but he will do that. If I love you for what you give me, then I'm in bad shape. Now, granted, he gave me eternal life, so I'm. That's a good start for love there.
[00:58:45] Speaker B: Well, even if that was it.
[00:58:47] Speaker C: Yeah. Should that be sufficient? Yes, it should be.
[00:58:50] Speaker B: Yeah. More than that. Your sins are forgiven. Isn't that enough?
But we want.
And I'm not saying all of us, but there are people, Christian people, that want good car, big house.
[00:59:03] Speaker C: Well, and there's some. They'll teach that that's part of Christianity.
[00:59:06] Speaker B: Yes. And I know who you talked about, but
[00:59:11] Speaker C: I didn't have anybody in mind there.
[00:59:13] Speaker B: Well, I do. I. I mean, I know some people you're talking about the gospel, but, you know, that's just stuff that's going to go back into the box. It's like the world, like, came a monopoly. You go around doing all this stuff, buying illustration, and then you die. It goes back into the box for someone else to scold her.
[00:59:33] Speaker A: That's good, though.
[00:59:36] Speaker B: Well, I'm thankful.
[00:59:39] Speaker A: Renee probably came up with it.
[00:59:43] Speaker C: I don't know what's funnier, I mean, your reaction or mine. And his reaction of, gosh, that was actually gonna.
[00:59:51] Speaker B: Oh, man.
Finally, I'm on the.
[00:59:54] Speaker C: I'm on the best illustration yet.
[00:59:56] Speaker A: Giddy got some wood on the ball.
[01:00:01] Speaker C: Let me write that down.
[01:00:02] Speaker B: You better write that down.
[01:00:04] Speaker C: Good.
[01:00:04] Speaker B: Yeah. Added to that sermon.
[01:00:07] Speaker C: But yeah, we were sitting here like,
[01:00:09] Speaker A: oh,
[01:00:13] Speaker B: I mean, you might go to jail every now and then, but yeah.
[01:00:16] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:00:19] Speaker A: So are we gonna have church Sunday?
[01:00:20] Speaker C: And I hope so.
It's not looking promising, but I tell you, it is not looking promising. We're looking at about six inches of snow. I'm telling you, I do not want to cancel at the same time. I'm not going to be foolish.
[01:00:34] Speaker B: You're going to do another.
[01:00:36] Speaker C: I am filming one this afternoon.
[01:00:38] Speaker A: Yeah, that was good.
[01:00:39] Speaker C: Last one on the subject. And I wasn't sure where to go. So we're going to pick up right where we left off. We're going to go verses 25 through 32.
And it kind of lends itself to. Now it becomes practical practice because 25 through 32 tells us what to do and how to do It. So that's who we are in Christ. So now it's, it's kind of a mini, mini book of Ephesians.
[01:01:05] Speaker B: So 20 minutes or is that what you said?
[01:01:09] Speaker C: Well, 10 is what the Instagram and Tick Tock as far as what we have an account lets us do. Okay, so Facebook, I can talk all day, but the Instagram and the other stuff we have has 10 minutes. So I've got to try to pilot into 10 minutes. So I can't really go deep, deep, deep into it.
Could you do.
[01:01:30] Speaker B: If you.
[01:01:31] Speaker A: I mean, because I'm sitting here as you're talking there thinking, well, you could do a full sermon. 20 is about 25 minutes.
[01:01:38] Speaker C: Oh, not ain't that long.
[01:01:40] Speaker B: Sometimes it's a little longer.
[01:01:44] Speaker C: If you ask one person, you're gonna say, Man, 40 minutes. You ask, you ask Teresa. Go in there and ask Teresa how long I preached the other Sunday.
He was 45, 50. And I'm like, the longest I want to go is 35. And that is counting invitation and everything because I'm just.
That's. That's way too much.
[01:02:04] Speaker A: I was going to say you could do a 30 minute version, put that on YouTube and Facebook and then have Keaton or someone trim that down to a 10 minute version of that. But then I was the reason for saying that was ask a question. I don't know if it'd be the same. If you're trying to. It's not really the same thing as preaching a sermon to just sit there and talk either.
[01:02:24] Speaker C: Right. 10 minute sermon or a 30 minute sermon to edit out. Sometimes you edit out something that may, that probably shouldn't have been what you edited out. It's better just to plan around 10 minutes.
[01:02:33] Speaker A: But even the frequency, I mean if you're. I don't know what the.
I know when I'm doing videos, how it goes. But for me, if I were to try to sit down, even if I'm. I know you don't write a script for your sermons. So you've got the video.
[01:02:47] Speaker C: The video ones do have.
[01:02:48] Speaker A: We do have that. So I mean I don't know if
[01:02:50] Speaker C: it would be the same especially like, like I think about like I'm doing now the major in the minors or we're filming it now, it's going to come out very shortly and we're looking at the minor prophets. I've done all the research put together, here's the key verses and I have a script and it's weird. Basically it's. It's the meat all the study I've done, compiled into that.
[01:03:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:03:15] Speaker C: Sermon in front of a camera like that.
[01:03:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:03:18] Speaker C: I've again, I've gone through that text, the outline, but I do have a script or a rough script.
[01:03:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:03:27] Speaker C: It's not a word for word. Read it. No, it's. Here's a point.
[01:03:31] Speaker A: Here's the point. Here's the point.
[01:03:33] Speaker B: Do you have to. You have to have retakes?
[01:03:39] Speaker C: I hesitate to say yes, but no, not much.
[01:03:42] Speaker B: Okay. I was just wondering if he had to go two hours to put out 10 minutes.
[01:03:47] Speaker C: No, I think Keaton has been good about.
He helps edit out some of the stuff that if I like. Oh, doggone it, Keaton. I'm in the middle of it, and I said the wrong thing.
He said, I can edit out and you can see a little bit of a glitch, but it ain't much.
[01:04:04] Speaker B: It's probably not enough.
[01:04:06] Speaker A: But.
[01:04:06] Speaker C: But there have been times when I've gotten tongue tied or, you know, especially doing video, that you're just like, oh, man, I said the wrong thing. And he'll. He'll back that up and say, all right, let's start with. I mean, when we were doing some of the kings, we. We might finish one king, and then I'd get wrong something on, and we'd go back and he'd say, all right, start where we left off with the first king.
[01:04:27] Speaker B: Then we could go a good audio video, man.
[01:04:30] Speaker C: Well, he helps out in that. Team does a good job in that. Because there are times when, let me tell you, he was going to make blooper reel, and he's got enough that he could make about five blooper reels, and he wants to release it one Sunday morning.
Well, and he told me. He said, I'll let you look at it. And I said, man, I think it's kind of cool because there are. I'll be like, I'll say something. So he's got plenty, especially during VBS and other things that I was filming.
My hardest thing is when I got to stand in front of him and we're just filming something that. All right, you're going to make an announcement about Easter or say something just a. Hey, wishing you a Happy Thanksgiving. Yeah, y' all be safe out there. Because I'll say something stupid. I'll say, wishing y' all a Happy Thanksgiving.
And then I'll say something that it's like, okay, that don't make sense. Retake, retake. So we'll take about five or six.
[01:05:22] Speaker A: Those are the hardest ones. The short Clips? Yes, the ones that I do 100.
[01:05:25] Speaker C: But you want to make sure you get your wording right.
[01:05:29] Speaker A: I was shooting something while we were doing it. I was like, you know, this would be a great time for me to plug this. And I waited for them to finish. I was like, while we're here, let me go ahead and plug this. And I went to go to plug it, and it was the. I knew five seconds into it, I was cutting it. I was like, I'm not redoing this, and I'm not just going to scrap this. It never happened. No.
[01:05:44] Speaker C: We've got two things we're going to film today, and I'd be willing to. Willing to say that the sermon that I'm going to do 10, 15 minutes, we won't have to do, but maybe one or two takes and maybe not have hardly. Hopefully nothing.
I gotta do an announcement about what's going to take place up at the front of the church when we're doing the.
Replacing the columns with the fencing. And so the next time you come to church, there's going to be the front of the church going to be fenced off. You can't come in through the front. Oh, you have to go in through the welcome center.
[01:06:16] Speaker A: Okay.
[01:06:16] Speaker C: And I'm going to make that announcement. I know that. I know that one's going to be a mess.
[01:06:22] Speaker B: Oh, the welcome center, the columns.
[01:06:24] Speaker C: So I gotta make that announcement. And I know I'm gonna mess that up about 18 times saying, oh, I shouldn't have used that word, or, oh, gosh, no, that's not what's happening.
[01:06:33] Speaker A: So.
[01:06:35] Speaker C: So I'm looking forward to that.
[01:06:36] Speaker A: That'd be fun.
[01:06:36] Speaker C: Oh, yes.
[01:06:37] Speaker A: I can't wait to see the outtakes reel sometime.
[01:06:39] Speaker C: Oh, he's got it. He got it. He's gonna make it.
[01:06:42] Speaker A: All right, well, I gotta get out here. I gotta make.
[01:06:44] Speaker C: All right, y' all take care, y' all see y' all going tomorrow afternoon or not.
Whispering.
[01:06:50] Speaker B: I can hear you.
[01:06:51] Speaker A: It can't. Or the thing can too. It's got a sensitive mic, y'.
[01:06:55] Speaker B: All.
[01:06:57] Speaker A: Every time y' all fight this week I gotta edit, so be nice.
[01:07:05] Speaker B: I will. Yeah, I've got my rain jacket for that, too.
[01:07:08] Speaker C: I don't just want trust the Gordon.
[01:07:10] Speaker B: And I also got the. I got this oil skins, too.
[01:07:12] Speaker C: We need to have a meme of that.
[01:07:14] Speaker A: Yeah,
[01:07:17] Speaker C: Gordon's fisherman.
[01:07:18] Speaker B: So.
But anyway. But then I met Renee and things changed.
No, in a good way.
In a good way.
[01:07:33] Speaker C: See, I wasn't gonna laugh at that until Reese.
Reese made me laugh at
[01:07:42] Speaker B: Sam.
