Walking with Your Whole Heart

[00:00:02] Speaker A: I mean he stood. He stood. In spite of the entire nation being against him, he was still willing to say no. God said, let's go get it. Let's go get it. That takes a lot of courage. One of the things that sets a godly person or a Christian apart is look, we're totally different. So when there's a famine, we share. When there's adversity, we sing. When there's difficulties, we praise. And that takes courage, but also takes a different spirit. When you go to Job Joshua 24, it says Caleb who followed the Lord with his whole heart. That's the whole point right there. And that's the other 167. [00:00:47] Speaker B: You drink this, you won't eat nothing. [00:00:48] Speaker C: You won't eat nothing all day. [00:00:50] Speaker B: You won't. [00:00:52] Speaker A: For real. [00:00:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:00:53] Speaker B: I ain't kidding. I mean I'm telling you, I have lost. I've been drinking these and then the rest of it's water. Drink one of these and the rest of water. [00:01:00] Speaker C: All day. All day. [00:01:02] Speaker A: That's healthy, bro. [00:01:03] Speaker B: I've been hard enough. [00:01:04] Speaker C: But you lose weight though. [00:01:06] Speaker B: The subject isn't healthy. [00:01:09] Speaker C: Yeah, I need something because I've been trying to lose weight for. [00:01:12] Speaker A: Do that. I'll tell you. [00:01:13] Speaker C: This is about my fourth week and you and I've been following the normal. I mean I don't have much of a routine for this. Don't eat so much, go on some walks and well, Ben's the health man, so I'm just throwing my swimming that again. Women don't drink a calorie. The last month though, I've been trying my best and it's like I'll lose two or three pounds. Usually it's going to mom and dad's. I go to mom and dad's and I undo an entire week. [00:01:38] Speaker A: Yeah, that's it. [00:01:39] Speaker C: But it's like every. I've not lost an ounce in four weeks of trying to die. I don't know, it's. It might be age and maternality. [00:01:46] Speaker D: Go ahead and tell us how your swimming has been so we'll get over that. [00:01:51] Speaker C: Yeah, I'll sneak it in. I don't, I don't. I don't give you an actual. [00:01:55] Speaker A: How many botulos is just six tenths for the record, I tried to swim yesterday afternoon and I don't know. Afternoon swims ain't good as morning swims. [00:02:04] Speaker C: Did you swim this morning? [00:02:05] Speaker A: I did not. I did. I was supposed to do the bicycle and I Woke up at 5:30 and I said eh, I ain't going so. [00:02:12] Speaker B: Your hairdo this morning was out of the shower. Yeah, it looked like it came out. [00:02:16] Speaker A: Of the pool, so that's why I was working. No, it was out of the shower. No, I worked out twice. Yesterday I did the swimming, then I went to Body Flow. And, man, this morning I was like, I ain't going to that bike class. I ain't doing three classes in 12 hours. I ain't crazy too much. [00:02:29] Speaker C: Yeah, I was gonna start. [00:02:31] Speaker A: I ain't committed to that. [00:02:32] Speaker C: Yeah, I have. How would you say this? I have. What it's like in college when you get the verbal commitment and then you sign a letter of intent. I've not signed the letter of intent, but I've verbally committed to starting a workout plan soon. We haven't got to the actual. [00:02:44] Speaker A: Well, you're working seven miles a day. [00:02:46] Speaker C: Yeah, I think I need to step it up just a little bit. Maybe run occasionally. Do something. Get the heart rate up a little bit. [00:02:52] Speaker A: Cardio makes a big difference. [00:02:53] Speaker C: Yeah. Do you play on softball team? Y' all won. Was it last night? I saw the Post today. [00:02:57] Speaker B: He won last night. [00:02:58] Speaker C: Okay. [00:02:59] Speaker A: Wins tonight, right? Wins tonight. Should be for the championship. [00:03:03] Speaker B: I don't think so. [00:03:04] Speaker A: I thought it was only four teams in the tournament. [00:03:07] Speaker B: Is that right? [00:03:08] Speaker A: In Yalls bracket, it means you only gotta win two games. [00:03:11] Speaker C: Less double elimination. Yeah, could be double. [00:03:14] Speaker A: Well, if they win, they won last night. I guess there's gotta be more than four teams. [00:03:21] Speaker B: There's some teams that we ain't played that's in the same league, but we gotta play through all them. The ones that are top notch, you know, scoring 30 runs every game. [00:03:29] Speaker C: How many women do you have on there? [00:03:31] Speaker B: Rachel and Mac just gotta win three games. [00:03:34] Speaker A: Well, you win that one. [00:03:35] Speaker D: Okay. [00:03:36] Speaker A: Yeah, you could possibly just win two games. Ain't but four teams for what I'm seeing. [00:03:40] Speaker C: Okay. [00:03:42] Speaker B: I didn't even look at the bracket. [00:03:44] Speaker A: So y' all beat Faith Covenant Family Church last night. [00:03:48] Speaker B: Here's the next one. [00:03:49] Speaker A: So either you play. Wow. Clayton Holy Heat. Who's that? Clayton Holy Heat or Grace Community? White Hope. [00:03:57] Speaker B: It ain't Grace. [00:03:58] Speaker C: They're good. [00:03:59] Speaker B: Bunch of 20 some years old. [00:04:01] Speaker A: Yeah, they're young. [00:04:02] Speaker B: They run and hit. They can put in any gap they want. [00:04:04] Speaker C: They just call us and put it in. [00:04:06] Speaker A: How did they finish? [00:04:06] Speaker C: Third. [00:04:09] Speaker B: Just like you. They probably. What's it called? Not Worth the Call. [00:04:15] Speaker A: What's that? Luck into it. [00:04:16] Speaker B: No, no, no, no. Well, you don't give it all you got. [00:04:19] Speaker C: Mail it in. Oh. [00:04:21] Speaker A: Oh, they just kind of sandbag. [00:04:22] Speaker C: Sandbag Okay. [00:04:25] Speaker B: A little bit. [00:04:26] Speaker A: Oh man. [00:04:27] Speaker C: I reverse sandbagged in the Sully's golf league. So you have a three round qualifier. [00:04:32] Speaker A: Right. [00:04:33] Speaker C: Set your handicap. And I've laid all my personal record. [00:04:38] Speaker A: On one of those three rounds. That's why Test. Yeah. [00:04:41] Speaker C: Except now I've been playing behind the eight ball all year. I'm giving way too many shots to everybody else. Well, bg. Well, thank you. You surprised me. I saw you in the parking lot and I thought you were here to do something with the electric. I assumed you were gonna do some electrician work. [00:04:55] Speaker B: Well, that's gonna happen here. [00:04:56] Speaker C: Okay. [00:04:56] Speaker B: You know, after the show. [00:04:57] Speaker C: Ya. Okay. [00:04:59] Speaker A: One of our sponsors. We're joined today by one of our sponsors. [00:05:02] Speaker C: There we go. [00:05:03] Speaker A: BPG Electrical. [00:05:05] Speaker B: Yeah, I didn't bring any shirts. [00:05:06] Speaker D: But you're wearing one. [00:05:07] Speaker B: I think I got plenty of shirts. What are you, a medium? [00:05:11] Speaker C: Medium. [00:05:11] Speaker B: That's ongoing thing on this show. [00:05:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:14] Speaker B: 185 and a medium. [00:05:15] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. I'm still. I'm still. I still order mediums. I still order mediums. And, and that's my motivation. And I tell you, if I ever lose some weight, I've got a whole wardrobe waiting on me. [00:05:29] Speaker A: I have not. [00:05:30] Speaker C: I don't buy new clothes if I get too fat to wear the ones that I got. I just don't want to die. That's. That's my. [00:05:36] Speaker A: It's time to cut back. [00:05:37] Speaker C: I never. I won't admit that I need new clothes. [00:05:40] Speaker B: When I started. When I started the business, I had to go to an extra large. I gained so much weight. [00:05:44] Speaker C: That'll do it. Yeah. [00:05:45] Speaker B: And now I need to. I'm getting to the point where I can go back to my largest. [00:05:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:49] Speaker A: Because I get a little bit monster. Drinks and peanuts. Hard work. That's. [00:05:56] Speaker D: I got clothes for all sizes. [00:05:59] Speaker C: Do you? [00:06:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:06:00] Speaker D: I've been up and down. [00:06:01] Speaker A: Did you finally run out of polos? [00:06:03] Speaker D: No, I just took the. [00:06:07] Speaker A: I mean I have seen pinks, I've seen oranges. I've said, man, you have just been like a virtual rainbow. [00:06:13] Speaker B: Have they called you yet? Because as much as you talked about how many polos you bought, have they tried to sponsor you or give you a 50? [00:06:21] Speaker A: Not a sponsorship deal. [00:06:26] Speaker D: This was a polo shirt. But it's. [00:06:28] Speaker C: It's not, is it? [00:06:30] Speaker D: They don't have it on there. [00:06:32] Speaker B: What's the tag saying about man? [00:06:34] Speaker A: That's him. What was it? Saddlebred or what was the one that. [00:06:38] Speaker D: It was like an off brand. [00:06:41] Speaker A: Had the lion jumping on it, Tiger jumping on it. When we were little. You remember them? [00:06:46] Speaker D: I remember the alligator. [00:06:47] Speaker C: I know what you're talking about. [00:06:49] Speaker A: They had a tiger jumping across it. It wasn't. Wasn't a polo. It was a knockoff Polo or Ozod wasn't Ozod. [00:06:56] Speaker D: Ozod was the alligator at one time. [00:07:00] Speaker A: Yeah. That's all it cost. [00:07:01] Speaker D: But now they must have sold that. [00:07:03] Speaker B: Used to be together. [00:07:04] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:07:04] Speaker D: Then they sold it, and they just brought lacrosse back. I mean, the last 10 years, that's bugged me. [00:07:13] Speaker C: I can't remember who the line. [00:07:14] Speaker A: I can't remember, but it's a great. That would be what brand that is. And look at it today. [00:07:20] Speaker B: I would have never thought Kenny was a guy. [00:07:22] Speaker A: Granimals is Granimals. [00:07:23] Speaker B: You know all about fashion. [00:07:24] Speaker C: I'm not. [00:07:25] Speaker D: I just like my shirts. [00:07:27] Speaker B: That's fashion, sir. [00:07:30] Speaker C: That is pretty much the definition. [00:07:32] Speaker A: See? [00:07:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:07:33] Speaker A: You're gonna be great on this show, man. Yeah. Brandon has said he didn't want to say nothing. I said, man, you got to say something. [00:07:39] Speaker C: Can't do that. [00:07:41] Speaker A: No, you add in because you. You believe me, you'll have to add in something, because something will be said. [00:07:46] Speaker B: Every time y' all put one out. I listen to it every week. It's part of my routine because I will say fishing podcast, but this one here, I'm gonna make sure that I always listen. And then sometimes I do get upset with you a little bit because I'm like, all right, it's been two or three weeks now. [00:08:00] Speaker A: Where's my show? [00:08:00] Speaker C: He is my Brett, Brandon. [00:08:02] Speaker B: Get used to it. [00:08:02] Speaker A: You know, I appreciate that. Brandon's one of our best fans. He is the show. [00:08:07] Speaker C: He's the only one that I know. Like, in the beginning, we. When we first started doing this thing, I would get text from people once in a while if it was a little late, like, you know, we. But as you get more familiar with and stuff, you know, some people that were listening a lot, it's. You know, they don't listen as often or they catch up late or whatever. They. Brandon's the one that's still. Every single week. If I see him on Sunday and it ain't out yet. What's going on podcast? Y' all don't do it this week. Where you at? [00:08:27] Speaker B: You text me once in a while, and it's really. I enjoy the conversation, but really, it does help. It's crazy how if you really sit down and listen to it and what y' all talk about with the Bible and the Lord, you can put it in any day of the week and it actually helps you get through that week. So that's. [00:08:43] Speaker C: So. [00:08:44] Speaker A: You're kind and we appreciate that, man. [00:08:46] Speaker D: Who's your favorite commentator? [00:08:50] Speaker B: Hey, edit this real quick, Garrett, please. [00:08:53] Speaker C: Edit. [00:08:54] Speaker A: Nice question, man. I like that. Who's your favorite? Oh, man, if we're talking jams and. [00:08:59] Speaker B: Jelly, you for sure. [00:09:00] Speaker C: Yes. [00:09:04] Speaker D: It seems to me like you listen to the podcast when you go to church. [00:09:12] Speaker C: Man. [00:09:13] Speaker B: Kenny, look, I'll tell you a story. [00:09:15] Speaker D: You haven't missed one. [00:09:16] Speaker B: I know that I missed Sunday. I wasn't at church Sunday. [00:09:18] Speaker D: No, you haven't missed the podcast. [00:09:20] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I have not. [00:09:21] Speaker C: But you had missed church. [00:09:23] Speaker A: Look at that. [00:09:24] Speaker B: The Lord came down on me on Sunday. I said, I have so much. I've been so busy that I said, I can't. I need to stay at home and get the grass cut and stuff. Yeah, well, last week I had just enough time to cut it. Well, I had grass trimmings and all that stuff, and I had to put it in a big old pile in the back of the yard and I was listening to my music and every time before I dump it, I throw my phone because the distance is too far and then dump it. Well, this time I had it on the wheelbarrow and I forgot to put it on the ground before. And I dumped it in the foam right in the middle of a ten foot, eight foot of grass trimmings all the way, and it fell down and I spent hours and hours trying to find it. Couldn't find it. So I panicked and I ordered. Got a new phone because of the business and stuff like that. And then I finally found it at night. [00:10:11] Speaker A: Was it at the bottom? [00:10:13] Speaker B: It was at the bottom. I had to use a metal detector. A neighborhood. One of the neighbors up top of the neighborhood had a metal detector. [00:10:19] Speaker A: I figured. [00:10:20] Speaker B: And we went out. [00:10:21] Speaker A: I figured you'd have to just keep. [00:10:23] Speaker B: Oh, yes. [00:10:23] Speaker D: Can you find it with your. With another phone, sir? [00:10:27] Speaker B: Can't you find. Well, so my phone was on silence. So, yes, Rachel tried to call and call, but of course you couldn't hear like it was on silent. [00:10:33] Speaker A: Well, he knows where it's at. [00:10:34] Speaker B: But what I'm trying to tell you is the whole moral story is if my butt was at church like it's supposed to be, that would have never happened. And the Lord was saying, hey, there's more things that are more important, and that's the church, than cutting your grass. You will find time for that. So I just want to at least say that because it went across my head, really. [00:10:53] Speaker D: Sin has a penalty. [00:10:57] Speaker A: Choose to say and choose tougher. [00:11:00] Speaker B: Lord, please just. If you could just be with me right here and help me find this farm. But he made me very humble. [00:11:06] Speaker A: Eight foot by ten foot, I mean grasping months. [00:11:09] Speaker B: And I mean, when I cut my grass, it's, I don't know, three quarters of an acre in the back, but the grass is so thick, I'll have 15 piles of every time I just cut the route. [00:11:21] Speaker D: Well, what, are you saving it for something? [00:11:23] Speaker B: No, listen, I know what you're gonna say. [00:11:24] Speaker A: Why don't you cut a grass? [00:11:28] Speaker B: We don't have a messy yard like you with a bunch. [00:11:30] Speaker C: You know, Kenny's gonna find a way to solve your problem retroactively. And the point was, if you've been to church, you wouldn't have done that. Well, welcome to the other 167, Brandon. Officially. Welcome to the other 167. [00:11:40] Speaker B: Thank you for the opportunity. [00:11:41] Speaker C: Welcome to jump right behind the scenes. [00:11:43] Speaker A: You've seen how it works. [00:11:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:45] Speaker C: I don't know what to do about this week. Our only listeners here. Do we even bother publishing this one, or do I just text it to you when we're done? [00:11:54] Speaker B: Hey, but does that thing tell you, though, how many, like, so if you put out a new thing, does it. [00:11:59] Speaker A: Tell you it gives you analytics? [00:12:02] Speaker B: 50 people listened to this episode this week. [00:12:04] Speaker D: Oh, they clicked on it somehow. [00:12:06] Speaker C: Yeah. Here's the thing. I'm still two years into this, and I spent a lot of time trying to figure this out. The analytics on podcasts, they're there, but they're not. They're all over the board in terms of, like, what you're getting and how accurate it is. So, like, one of the metrics that I use or one of the softwares that I use might say we had eight people listen to a certain episode. And then I can go to Apple Podcasts, and It'll tell me 73 people listen to that episode. And you go to YouTube and it might say 12. And so it's. And I've looked into it a lot to try to figure out what it is. And the problem with it is, or the reason for that is some. Some things will track how many downloads you had, but you can listen to an entire podcast without downloading it to your device. [00:12:45] Speaker A: Right. [00:12:45] Speaker C: And then others will just track. Okay, well, if you clicked it at all, that's what we're tracking. Doesn't matter if they download. So, like, I think Apple's just telling me how many people clicked it. But they could have listened to one second or Whatever. So you never really know because that's. [00:12:59] Speaker B: How I have it with my Apple. I subscribe to it. So it gives me a notification every. [00:13:03] Speaker A: Time you download it. [00:13:04] Speaker C: And then another layer of it is. And I told y' all this a while back, there are just. With the way podcasting works, I guess it's all out there public. It's a public feed anybody can get their hands on. So if you don't do anything to restrict it, which I don't, there are a whole bunch of companies out there and websites out there that they just aggregate podcasts and put their feed on our. Put our feed on their website, which is totally fine. But I never know anything about those subscribers, like how many people listen to those. So we literally could get 20 people or 10,000. I wouldn't know the difference. Sometimes the idea is obviously you want to see the numbers. Whatever numbers you're looking at, you want to see them getting bigger. But as far as how accurate they are, I seriously don't have a clue how many people. [00:13:46] Speaker A: And tell you where. We had some folks, people still in India checking us out every day. [00:13:51] Speaker C: We had some in India. We had some. I was looking like Singapore or somewhere. Like that was on the last download I looked at. [00:13:58] Speaker A: International, baby. [00:14:00] Speaker C: We are. We are a global, global show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One, one or two downloads at a time, but we are international event. [00:14:08] Speaker B: Y' all went from Ireland. [00:14:09] Speaker C: Ireland. [00:14:10] Speaker A: International Ireland. We had a repeat. Yeah, we had repeat Ireland shout outs to our customers, our fans in Ireland. Yeah, we're big over there. [00:14:18] Speaker C: Yeah, we're. Yeah, we need to put the T shirts out. [00:14:21] Speaker A: I think one day we need to film from there. [00:14:24] Speaker C: We're growing. [00:14:25] Speaker D: Yeah, we're gonna. [00:14:25] Speaker C: We're gonna. [00:14:26] Speaker D: We're gonna do small off site location. [00:14:30] Speaker C: Kenny's coming arm for bear today. [00:14:35] Speaker B: Hey, let's let the first one be your front yard. [00:14:38] Speaker C: How about that? [00:14:40] Speaker B: Let's do that. [00:14:40] Speaker D: Let's see how that works. [00:14:42] Speaker A: Gardens of. Yeah. [00:14:43] Speaker B: While we're in the background from the. [00:14:46] Speaker A: Lush gardens of Willisburg, he takes it over. [00:14:48] Speaker B: We're all working. You're cutting the flowers, I'm cutting grass and then sweeping. [00:14:55] Speaker D: We had Brandon, our maintenance man. Okay, thanks, gardener. Maintenance man. [00:15:04] Speaker B: And you fund the whole show. [00:15:06] Speaker A: Jam's jealous. Got it. Got it handled. [00:15:08] Speaker C: He's already funded it with any of us. Or he brings us jams and jellies once in a while, but got a shirt for Christmas, man. I'm bringing peanuts. [00:15:14] Speaker A: Still the best. Peanut butter and jelly sandwich using his jelly. [00:15:20] Speaker C: Did you really? [00:15:21] Speaker A: We had strawberry the other Day. [00:15:22] Speaker C: That's cool. [00:15:22] Speaker A: Anything. [00:15:23] Speaker D: All three of them. [00:15:24] Speaker A: Good. [00:15:25] Speaker B: Rachel loves the. The strawberry on toast. That's the shoe you sell all the time. [00:15:29] Speaker A: But if you'll put that with peanut butter and then take, like, those potato sticks they make. You know, those potato sticks, you buy them, they're, like, in a can like this, and they're potato sticks, and they're like little. [00:15:39] Speaker B: Oh, yes. Like, you would use French onion or Frenchies or whatever. [00:15:42] Speaker A: No, no, no, no, no. These are actually called potato sticks. [00:15:45] Speaker B: I know what you're talking about. But it's the same brand, you know what I'm saying? [00:15:47] Speaker A: Might be Frenches. Utz has them too. But if you'll just take a handful of those and put it on there and then. Oh, man, that's a sandwich. [00:15:55] Speaker C: We're gonna really see how much street credit everybody's got here. Who knows the rapper Eminem, Okay. [00:16:02] Speaker A: We all know he was in Happy Gilmore too. [00:16:03] Speaker C: Yeah, he was. So that kind of spawned this. So Gabe. Gabe mentioned him to me. He's like, did you know Eminem was in that? And I didn't recognize him when I watched it the first time. I had to go back and look. So for whatever reason, I've always been curious about Eminem, because if, you know, I mean, I grew up when he first came out. He has some rough songs out there. Even at 17, 18, rebellious years old, I. I don't think I listen to. [00:16:26] Speaker A: This, like this too much. [00:16:27] Speaker C: But I've always just kind of kept not. Not like stalking or anything. Once in a while, I'll just kind of check in, see, like, you know, what's he up to nowadays and stuff like that. And I saw something. I'm curious to hear if anybody here has heard this before, but did you hear a song that he put out three years ago? It was him and Kanye west and somebody else. It's called Take this Gospel or Use this Gospel. Sorry, Use this Gospel. So I found this. [00:16:51] Speaker A: And Kanye had an album a while back. That was a while back. Like maybe six, seven years ago. [00:16:56] Speaker C: Well, and that was supposed to be, you know, Christian. Christianly, yeah. So the artist, if you look it up on Spotify, it's DJ Khaled, I. [00:17:08] Speaker D: Think is the name. [00:17:08] Speaker A: DJ Khaled. He's doing everything. [00:17:10] Speaker C: There's my street cred. [00:17:11] Speaker A: He shows up in every song you got. [00:17:14] Speaker C: So it's him featuring Kanye west and Eminem. But Eminem is the majority of the words, probably. He goes on a little barb in the middle of it there. And I'll tell you It's. I assume he wrote it himself because it's got his sound to it, and it's. And it's a. It's essentially a testimony or a profession of faith in this song, and it's fantastic. So I'm watching him. Eminem, use this gospel, or. Yeah, use this gospel. So I was listening to it, and I was watching a couple, like, reaction videos, and people on YouTube, like, well, we don't know if it's sincere or not. We don't. You know, that gets back to judgment. I think we're real quick to probably want to critique what's in somebody's heart. Does he mean this? Does he not mean it? Is he doing it to sell records? Look, if he's on there giving a profession of faith, I'm more of the opinion, hey, let's just be happy and supportive of that and not, you know, dissect it with a. You know, go through it with a fine tooth comb and try to look too much into it. But anyway, my real punchline of this whole story is there's a song I was laughing about this Sunday morning on the way to church, me and Gabriel listening to it. There was a song he put on one of his first albums where he. This is probably the song that made me stop listening altogether. This was the one where I finally said, that's too much. Like, that's. That's just too much. But there's a line in there where he says something about, you know, my mom always told me to, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say nothing. Bleep that. I'd rather put out a bleeping gospel record. So I was laughing with Gabe the other day. I said, you know, God's got a sense of humor, and you might have taken 20 years for this to come full circle, but that song, use this Gospel, topped the Billboard Christian charts when it came out. So not only did he end up putting out a gospel song record, what you want to call it, but it was the top of the charts 20 years later. So it might have taken God a little while to get his final. His. What would you call that, to make his point, but 20 years later, he did exactly that. He put out a gospel song. And I think it's a pretty good one, if you can understand the words. It goes pretty fast. [00:19:14] Speaker B: But I would have never known that. [00:19:16] Speaker A: No, I didn't know that. Now I know Kanye did that. Did an album, and that had a whole lot of albums. Well, he had a Ceylon. He had several good Songs that I was like, okay. In fact, when my kids came home and said, dad, you'd really like this. And I was like, I don't know about all that. And it actually was decent. Again, I'm not. It's so hard for folks that are celebrities like that because they're being watched, they're being judged, they're being. You know. And then on top of that, when you got an Eminem who has, you know, let's just face facts. I mean, you listen to his music less. Less than God honoring, especially in the very beginning. And, you know, oftentimes what happens for those guys is you start getting older, you start having children, and you start realizing, oh, okay, maybe I don't need to be quite like that. I don't know where Eminem is with the Lord. It'd be interesting to see. I'd always wonder if I'd love to find out, because, you know, he's still. He's still releasing some. That's got some. Some stuff in it. It's a little. Little shady. [00:20:16] Speaker C: What's that about? Huh? Well, please, if you. [00:20:20] Speaker A: I want to see if you're really a fan. [00:20:22] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:20:24] Speaker B: You know, when you're real Fanny, you. [00:20:26] Speaker C: Listen to it all the way. You just. [00:20:27] Speaker B: You get used to it. [00:20:29] Speaker C: Well, it's. I don't. I have not heard much of his recent stuff. I mean, literally, the kids, I. I hear them singing stuff of his sometimes. I'm like, whoa, what up a minute? How do you know that song? And they listened to the cut versions, I guess. Yeah. And Gabe was asking one time. He's like, you know, why don't you like Eminem? I said, well, some of this. Like, you don't understand some of the stuff he says. And I finally just. I don't know if it's a good parenting or not, but I finally said, fine. You know what? I played him one of them. [00:20:57] Speaker A: I said, that's why your ears ain't trash can. [00:21:00] Speaker C: Yeah. He said, okay, I get it now, but I haven't. That was probably. That record probably came out when I was 18. So his newer stuff I haven't even listened to at all. So I don't know what's come out recently. [00:21:11] Speaker A: I don't know. I'd say much change. [00:21:14] Speaker C: So when this song was released in 2022, I saw another video of him a while back where I think, again, see, nowadays, you don't know what's real and what's not. You know, you don't know if this is a true story, if it's an AI video or whatever. But supposedly a. Somebody had held up a sign at a concert that said something like, do you believe in Jesus? And he called him up on stage and said, yeah, I do, but I don't know if that's true or not. But. But this, this song is if you, you can pull the lyrics up and as you're listening to it on Spotify and if you just look at his part of it, I mean, I would say it's a godly. You know, it's. What he's saying is just a. It's a profession of faith. It's a very honest profession of faith. It's the first time I've ever heard him not cursing. He does say at one point, I'm effed up in the head. But he does say ifed. He doesn't say the word. So it's. That's a big step up from where he used to be. [00:22:09] Speaker A: Of course, as it goes, it plays it so far, the lyrics are. [00:22:16] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, you got to get through about 30 seconds of that. [00:22:18] Speaker B: Is that. That's. [00:22:20] Speaker A: That's what DJ Khaled's gonna have. He's a DJ, man. He gotta make the noise. [00:22:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:22:27] Speaker B: He sounds like he's a DJ himself. [00:22:28] Speaker C: Right? Ben's. He's well versed in a lot of topics. He's your fitness guy, he's your DJ guy. He knows a little bit all around. Yeah. [00:22:39] Speaker B: Hey, that's coming a lot. [00:22:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:41] Speaker D: I mean, he's all around guy. [00:22:43] Speaker C: A little bit of everything. [00:22:44] Speaker A: I think it's just one of. And again, that's where we want to. We want to be the ones that pass. Pass judgment. [00:22:49] Speaker C: That's it. [00:22:50] Speaker A: I'll be the one to think about that. At the same time, there really should be a, A, A. You know, I think that's what we're always getting at is the change that Christ makes should be so evident and it should be so real that. Okay, yeah, you see a difference. And I say, hey, I hope it is. We love to see it. I know a couple years ago, Deion Sanders came out as being, you know, saved and whatnot. And then I think from time to time he still talks about it and whatnot, but he's hosting the Victoria's Secrets lingerie show. And I'm like, come on, man. [00:23:26] Speaker C: To be clear, that's frowned upon. [00:23:28] Speaker A: We gotta jive a little bit here. You know, your walk should match your talk. [00:23:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:23:32] Speaker A: And so. Or. And we're quick, I think. And I think we always have to. I would caution people, anytime Someone gets, you know, famous, either claims Christianity or says they believe in Christ. Don't put so much pressure on them because they may be new Christians, they may not know everything. I mean, it is. But we put so much, oh, they're a star and they put so much pressure on them. I think of a local guy that played ball here. His name was Josh Hamilton. Josh Hamilton was a great baseball player, a five star, five tool. I mean, he was the guy. I mean, he was going to be the next Babe Ruth, Barry Bonds, I mean, you name it, he was going to be the best. And unfortunately, I think he. He got ahead of himself as far as he signed some contracts that put him in a whole lot of money at a very young age and didn't have some things around him to help him and ended up, you know, doing some things that really hurt his career more than helped him. And. And he'd even say that. I mean, I've heard his testimony a time or two, and I remember telling people, don't put so much pressure on that kid. That, oh, he's, you know, and he was out testifying or groups would have. FCAs would have him in. And I was like, man, let's not do that yet until. Let's get some miles under your feet before you start talking to people or before you're held up as the standard bearer of Christianity. And I think that goes for all of us is, man, you want to make sure to have some miles behind you before you start going in front of folks. Everybody thinks the Apostle Paul had the, you know, saw the light and then all of a sudden he was preaching. Well, if you take a look, he spent three years in Arabia in the desert. I believe he was plowing through the Old Testament, preparing himself to be able to make the defense of who Christ is and being able to be who he became. So don't be so quick to just say, oh, you know, and anytime I meet a young guy that says, you know, kind of gets to a place where they're like, I believe God's calling me to the ministry and I'm ready to preach in front of a church, I'm like, let's slow down, cowboy. Let's bring that back a little bit. Let's groom and grow before we just put you out there in front of people. Because that's what Paul talks about in Timothy, too, is, look, you want to be careful if you get someone that's too young, because getting a big head, they can fall, you know, fall into traps, and you can do that anyway. Even when you're old, old head, you can fall into traps. [00:26:07] Speaker D: So, yeah, and Josh Howard, I mean, Hamilton, he did. He did work out his way out of that and became MVP of the major leagues, but then he fell back. And I don't know what he's doing now. [00:26:24] Speaker A: And I think it's one of those things of. And that's another lesson. We always have to be careful. One of the things that I think we always have to do is the more responsibility and the more you can help yourself. More responsibility, and the more. The deeper we go with the Lord, you really got to put a bunch of guards around you. And what I mean by that is maybe not human guards, but you got to guard your life. Because if not, man, the enemy knows your game plan. He watches game film. He knows exactly what your weaknesses are. And an unguarded. And he knows what your strengths are. And I've always said an unguarded strength is a double weakness. In other words, if you're not taking care of guarding again, you may think, oh, I don't need to worry about that, man. That's exactly where the enemy's going to attack you. Especially when you get that pride in your heart. [00:27:14] Speaker D: But on the flip side, I like to say this, on the flip side is we shouldn't be judging those people because maybe he don't fit my standard of a Christian, but my standard is not God's standard. [00:27:29] Speaker A: Exactly. I'm just saying you just got to be careful about it. Putting so much responsibility or so much attention or so much emphasis on that one. Because, man, I just think there's a good thing about maturation, taking the time to mature. [00:27:46] Speaker D: I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm saying that the other side of that. [00:27:49] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I'm not saying they're not. In fact, I think I know he is. In fact, I enjoyed his testimony. And what he said to those young kids was key because when I'm asked how many tattoos you got, I mean, he was tatted up and down. He said, too many. One too many. Or, you know, however many I got, that's too many. And was kind of telling him, hey, I wouldn't get one if I were you. But he did. He got out in LA or away from home, and really? Well, there was a lot of pressure on the kid. [00:28:18] Speaker C: Yes, it was so two extremes of this that I see a lot on, you know, Facebook or YouTube or wherever. You've got all these YouTube channels and podcasts and things that like to commentary. It's just commentary. They want to comment on everything. And there's a. Some of that I really enjoy. But at the same time, you take two extremes. Okay, take the Eminem example. But then I've seen the exact same thing on Lauren Daigle, one of, you know, really famous Christian singer, where somebody will take a snippet of maybe somebody asking her about homosexuality and her taking a very basically non judgmental answer to that. Basically just not taking the bait, not coming out and saying everybody's going to hell and not really supporting it, but just being neutral. And then they blast her and say she's not a real Christian because she isn't willing to take a stand for the truth and blah, blah. Okay, well then the flip side of that, you take the Eminem thing, okay? Does every single thing that he releases nowadays need to go on Caleb? Probably not. You know what I mean? But does that mean that he's not had an encounter with God? That he's not in that process? That he's not. Whatever. There's an interesting. Even when Eminem was first coming out, I remember seeing interviews with him where he was. Everybody was so critical of all the stuff that he said. And it was bad, but he was saying, I'm not really a murderer and doing all these things I sing. It's an act, okay? This is an act. It's not who I really am. Now, I don't think it was a good act and I'm not supporting it. But when you look at people on a. You put people on that pedestal and you start to look at what their. He could be doing this song as a publicity stunt or it could be truly from the bottom of his heart. You don't know the difference. Lauren Daigle could be a closet Christian, you know, fair weather or fair weather, a lukewarm Christian that just puts on a good show where she could be genuine. Nobody knows these things, but especially celebrities. But I think even at the local level, you do the same thing within the church. You put the leaders in the church on a higher pedestal. You take someone like Josh Hamilton speaking at fca, okay, is that moving too far, too fast? Well, that can become almost a fine line somewhere between we are called to share our testimony and to profess our faith. Once I've professed my faith, now I'm wearing that Christian badge that's gonna hold me on to some sort of a higher standard publicly to whoever's around me, whether that's two people or 2 million. But where's that threshold now? [00:30:42] Speaker A: Where? [00:30:42] Speaker C: Okay, now I'm taking a bigger step into Leadership, because you don't want to tell people, you know, wait until you've really gotten all your stuff buttoned up and you can live a good Christian lifestyle. You don't be telling people you're a Christian because that's going to smear our name. That's not what we're saying. Right, I know, but there's a balance in there somewhere where you do want to share your faith, but at the same time understanding that even you're flawed in a leadership position. We all are still going to have our struggles. [00:31:05] Speaker A: Maybe it comes down to a thing of leadership. Sharing your faith one on one versus okay, now I'm putting him up there in front of a group of folks which again, I can understand. Athlete will draw, draw kids and if they can hear the truth, that's great. I'm all for that. It's just, just. I guess my caution is just be careful with it. [00:31:25] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:31:25] Speaker A: You know, because you just have to be real, real careful about. [00:31:28] Speaker B: All right. [00:31:28] Speaker A: Is this guy the genuine deal? At least I would want to be more leadership. [00:31:32] Speaker D: More you're in front of people, the more responsibility you have. [00:31:36] Speaker A: Yeah. And I mean, I think that's where James comes in and says, brother, I've not had many of you teachers. Now again, is that the same thing as a teacher? They encourage stricter judgment. I think there is a balance thereof. You're going to be in front of people, just expect. [00:31:54] Speaker C: But think about celebrities for a second because it's a double edged sword. Right. You take somebody like Eminem is a topic we've been using. But take somebody like him, he's a very well known figure. If he is a Christian, becomes a Christian, whatever, that's going to be an influence on a lot of people that could have a lot of other people that might not have ever considered it. Start looking into the Bible a little bit. On the flip side, you've seen a lot of celebrities that are all about Jesus for six months and then two years later. And now that strength of it being they've got a big following, a big audience now becomes a disadvantage or a headwind. So you don't want to be bashful about your faith just because you're new to it. [00:32:36] Speaker D: Right, right. [00:32:37] Speaker C: But, but yeah, if you, if you're not sincere with it or if you do stumble a little bit. Yeah, there's going to be a lot bigger. [00:32:46] Speaker A: He just has a big platform. How many followers the man got on Spotify? [00:32:50] Speaker D: I mean, you see, in church, if I was doing the same thing that Ben was doing, I Wouldn't get as much flight, but he'd get a lot because he's in leadership. So he has to be a lot more careful than I do. Not that I'm not careful. I'm just saying he has to really think about what he's doing. More so than I would, because I might affect two or three people. He'll affect two or 300. [00:33:14] Speaker C: When we're looking at. I think we talked about judgment last night on the Monday night Bible study with Doug, and there's a few different. I always think of judgment as like telling other people, you're right, you're wrong. And second chapter of James, it's. It's taking a little bit different stance on judgment. It's talking about fair treatment and treating some people. [00:33:35] Speaker A: Somebody comes in with nice clothes. Somebody comes in poor, you know, or. Yeah. And you say hey to the rich man. You sit here. [00:33:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:42] Speaker D: Right. [00:33:43] Speaker C: I don't know how I'm gonna get to this. [00:33:45] Speaker D: Well, you gravitate to him. [00:33:47] Speaker A: Yes. [00:33:47] Speaker D: Or you will normally, or you really. [00:33:49] Speaker A: It's showing favoritism, which is. But you will grab judgment, too. [00:33:53] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:54] Speaker D: That's just our normal. Being normal, and. Well, it's not really being normal, but that's just what we do. We gravitate to the people that we. You know, we hold people at different levels. [00:34:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:34:08] Speaker D: I mean, somebody with a. Not a very charismatic personality, you're going to gravitate to that person. [00:34:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:34:15] Speaker D: Somebody with that, you know, that's very quiet. Not so much. They're going to be left off the line. That's what I'm saying. [00:34:20] Speaker A: Or somebody's a little more bitter or mad. [00:34:23] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:34:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Just not a sweet spirit. [00:34:25] Speaker D: That's just what we do. [00:34:27] Speaker C: So. Trying to think of how to word this so I don't have to take me an hour to edit it back out later. But when the shortest way, we shouldn't judge. Period. Okay. But for. [00:34:41] Speaker D: That's the goal. [00:34:42] Speaker C: That's the goal. But I find myself probably. I don't want to say take an optimistic view of people, but there's. I can. You can always look at somebody that's in church every Sunday and then try to find ways to pick that apart and say, well, are they really saved? Are they really saved? Are they really saved? Maybe what I'm trying to say is I almost sometimes flip that inside out when I'm looking at other people, especially if I don't know them that well, and they may do one thing that I just think is the worst thing in the world, you know, or they may be in some sin that I think is so terrible, right? And I'll almost challenge myself and flip that inside out and say, but that doesn't mean that they're not saved, right? And I guess you can look at people who claim to be saved and try to say, are they really? You can also look at people that you might assume are not saved and ask yourself the same question. And I guess what I'm asking is how much do we do the second version versus the first? We all do a lot of the picking apart other people that are supposed to be righteous. But there's a lot of people that I've not had a conversation with about their faith. I don't know where they stand on their faith. Based on what I see publicly. I don't see any fruit or see anything that makes me think that they're a Christian. But at the same time, I always like to, I don't know, just. I don't know if it's naive or optimistic or what, but I always like to hold out a little bit of hope in my heart maybe that there is something there below the surface, deep down somewhere that God's working with or working on that I may not be able to see. And I guess, is that a. Is there any. I guess, what's your response to that? Is that a good thing to do? Is it a fruitless or pointless thing to do? Is it? [00:36:16] Speaker A: No, I mean, I think it's one of, I don't know that, you know, again, I get it. As far as we, you know, that we're not judging others. At the same time, I think there is a discernment that we should kind of at times be looking and especially for me as a pastor, I'm always looking. Alright, is this person going to be somebody that can serve over here or maybe serve in the ministry doing this and doing that. And so you want to make sure that, okay, they genuinely have a wall. So at times you do have to kind of just, I wouldn't say inspect, but just make sure that, okay, this is legit, this guy, you know, I can trust them, that they're going to be responsible, that they won't lead somebody down the wrong path or do something that's going to be boneheaded and hurt the ministry, hurt the church, hurt other believers. So there are times you have to, at the same time, I think oftentimes, and maybe that's the whole thing of it is why are you doing it. [00:37:16] Speaker C: In the first place? [00:37:17] Speaker A: Because usually it's to make yourself feel good. Or I want to make sure that I'm better than them versus okay. Before I put this guy in a leadership role or something along that nature, we want to make sure that this is right. That's where. And the only way, honestly, sometimes entail is time. Time and test. [00:37:39] Speaker D: There's nothing wrong with that. [00:37:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:42] Speaker D: I mean, but, but judging people, I don't think that's judging. [00:37:46] Speaker A: No, that's, that's being cautious. I think it's called discernment. [00:37:48] Speaker C: Yeah. That's part of your job. And you are, you have to do that part of it. [00:37:55] Speaker A: And at times, I mean, there are people that, you know as a pastor, man, if you're tickling their ears, telling them they're all saved, that's not a good place to be. So there has to be that. Hey, man, something's not right here. Even in counseling, when you're counseling others and they're choosing to go and do exactly the exact opposite of what scripture says, is that a sign of not being born again or is it just a sign of, hey, you're just in that much rebellion, you don't care? [00:38:26] Speaker D: Well, I think a lot of times is when we judge people, what you're really saying my sin's all right and we're comfortable with our sin? [00:38:36] Speaker A: Well, that's oftentimes what it is. We don't look at ourselves. [00:38:39] Speaker D: That's pride. [00:38:40] Speaker A: And so we don't look at ours as hard as we do everybody else's. [00:38:44] Speaker D: No, you could be doing the same thing, but yours is all. [00:38:48] Speaker A: Usually those are the ones who criticize the most, is whatever you've got down deep down inside. That's usually the ones you bark at the most to somebody else. [00:38:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:38:59] Speaker B: Take the spotlight off of themselves and put it on somebody else because they know they're doing probably the same or even worse. [00:39:04] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:39:05] Speaker D: Well, I don't know if they know that. [00:39:07] Speaker A: They just get mad at the same. [00:39:10] Speaker D: Thing, but they don't get it. [00:39:12] Speaker B: Well, I think we've all been through right. Where you judge. I know I, you know, in my life where you've judged some people, but then to come to find out, you give them time to get to know them and you're like, good grace. [00:39:22] Speaker A: You find out that they're totally different than what you said or because you. [00:39:25] Speaker B: Just, you just thought this one way and you were being hard headed and didn't give them a chance. And then you finally do give them a chance, you're like, man, I apologize completely. [00:39:33] Speaker A: So judgment and prejudice goes prejudge. Is prejudice prejudge and so that's often to. What it is, is I think, oh, this group of people or this, you know, blackhead people, you know, people with black hair are smarter than people with silver hair. [00:39:48] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:39:49] Speaker A: And that's a little. That's what free judge is. [00:39:56] Speaker B: Who had the black hair. [00:39:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, there. [00:40:01] Speaker C: All these different colors, black and silver. [00:40:05] Speaker D: Look. [00:40:06] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. But that's what we do. We prejudge and we. We label everybody that way. And we tend to think that, okay, since I am this way and they're that way, I'm better than. Or we find, you know, and that's. That's what. That's what's the heartbreaker about it? [00:40:22] Speaker C: It is. [00:40:23] Speaker D: It's like, I'm right, but you're wrong. But I'm doing the same thing. [00:40:28] Speaker A: Right. [00:40:28] Speaker D: And I don't get that because. And I'm not saying I haven't done it, because I have. I've done my share. [00:40:36] Speaker A: And. [00:40:38] Speaker D: This is a confession on the high end. Not specific, but I'm just saying high level confession. Yeah. I mean, a lot of times like this. I've had this to happen to me so many times. I wasn't vocal about it, but why did they do that? [00:40:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:55] Speaker D: And then I find out later. Oh, I know now, but I was judgmental. I wouldn't have done that. But then once you find out why they did it, oh, it's okay now. [00:41:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:41:05] Speaker D: I think it comes down because I understand it. Well, I don't need to. [00:41:09] Speaker B: You don't know people's story. Right. [00:41:10] Speaker D: That's what I'm saying. [00:41:11] Speaker B: We all wake up in the morning, do our thing. But what you. A lot of people don't know what people are going through. [00:41:16] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:41:17] Speaker B: You know, everybody has their own things that they're going through. And it's like sometimes you might say, well, this guy's not performing like he should or whatnot. But, you know, you don't know what's going on, so you're prejudged. But if you find out what's really going, you're like, man, okay. [00:41:30] Speaker C: I. [00:41:31] Speaker B: Man, if I was in his shoes, I'd probably be the same way or maybe worse. [00:41:33] Speaker D: I can't believe you just said that. No, I'm just saying. So that's what I'm saying. [00:41:39] Speaker B: Sounds good, man. I hear you. [00:41:42] Speaker C: Well, and you're getting. [00:41:45] Speaker B: Man, he's coming out today. [00:41:47] Speaker A: Kenny's on his game, man. [00:41:49] Speaker C: He's like this. [00:41:49] Speaker B: Or. [00:41:53] Speaker C: You watch on YouTube. [00:41:54] Speaker A: I can't believe you said it is. You must have switched I think it was those two. [00:41:59] Speaker B: No. Is this the bad chair? [00:42:01] Speaker D: No, this is. [00:42:02] Speaker A: I think I moved a badger down there. [00:42:04] Speaker C: Get it out of the way. [00:42:04] Speaker A: The worst one. [00:42:05] Speaker D: But if I moved it back. [00:42:07] Speaker C: Yeah. When you were talking about judging people, and then as you get to know them, you start to realize you were wrong about them. And then I was kind of thinking. And you just said, the second example of that, too is sometimes it's not the person itself, it's the situation. You see a situation that you think somebody's wrong, and then you find out more information and you realize, oh, okay, now I get that. A small example I was going to bring up. Anyway. Last week I had this with Gabe. He didn't have a real good attitude about the volunteering for VBS from the jump. I didn't appreciate it. When I first told him or asked him about it, he's like, well, maybe I'll think about it, and if I can be in your group, then maybe I will. And I finally said, okay, let me rephrase. It wasn't actually a question. I was giving you the opportunity to say you were going to do it, but you're going to do it. Okay, so no question. Well, then Monday, when we're leaving, he starts kind of pitching a fit about it. And he had said he wasn't feeling great. He had been kind of, you know, feeling a little bit under the weather. And I thought he was kind of making something up so he wouldn't have to go. So we. I tell him, get in the car, and, you know, kind of growl at him. Well, then the next night, he was still sick and turned to the doctor and he did have a virus. He had a little bit of a fever. I was like, okay, well, I understand. Well, the next day he was feeling fine. He's running all over the place. He's feeling better. His temperature's back to normal. And Heather said he didn't want to go. And I didn't even bother talking to him. I just said, fine, if you don't want to go, don't go. And I was mad, and I was real mad. And later that night, when I dropped Reese back off, he came in and was. You could tell he was tiptoeing around me because he knew I was mad, and he wasn't real sure if he could talk to me or not, if I was over it or not. And when he finally did talk to me, I was telling him I was disappointed in him. And, I mean, I gave him. I don't have to say a lot to get to Gabe. And I said what I knew would get the point home. Well, the next day, he's still sick. He got pink eye. And I realized the virus had not really gone away. And I'm like, crap. I was kind of hard on him, considering he's still sick. I didn't know he was still sick. You know, I'm thinking that he's just. And he didn't have a great attitude about it. He was a little bit before he was sick. He still was kind of. But he's nervous. He don't like. He's uncomfortable and around people he doesn't know that well. And he's like, I don't know how to teach. I said, well, you're not teaching. You're just leading people around. But he didn't know what he was getting into, so. But once I found out he was legit sick. Well, now I felt like a boneheaded dad for everything I'd said the night before and I'd given it. I had to apologize to him. I hate having to apologize for. I'm sorry. I was wrong for lecturing you, but, I mean, I was wrong, and that's with my kid. If anybody knows your kid, if you're gonna know anybody, you ought to know your kid. And I still, you know, completely missed the mark with him. So how much do we do that with people that we don't know that well, not knowing the whole. Whole situation. And I think the reason that I try to use that, you know, I say I try to tend to be optimistic, is that I remember how many of those times that I've got under my belt. That man. Yeah, I know I didn't do the right thing. But you didn't know the whole story. If you'd seen everything that I had going on, maybe you'd understood why I was that way. So I try to. It doesn't make it right, but I've lived through the other side of it. So I try my best to remember it in others too, but it's sometimes easier than said than done. But I don't know. I almost find myself sometimes maybe making too many excuses for other people when I shouldn't be at the same time, but. But I was going to ask on that because my segue question there is. I think that the answer to this is pretty obvious. But when. When I got to Heather's, that nut pick or to drop Reese back off. Gabe was truly sorry that he had upset me. And I knew he was. But I didn't get over it instantly. Like I usually do. Usually when your kids are sorry, you forgive pretty quickly. I still was mad for a few more hours after that. I don't think that God is that way, but I still was thinking about that. I know he forgives us, but does the anger ever linger for a little while after we do something? Or is it just that simple once we are truly apologetic and truly repentant? [00:46:10] Speaker A: Well, I think I would say that he is long, you know, he is very forgiving, very long suffering, very patient, very kind. And if you look at numbers 14, which one day we'll preach to it, One day he gets to verse 21 and he says, I've pardoned them, I've pardoned them. But to me that means when God forgives, he forgives. I don't think he carries over or anything else. But now there's a difference between I've pardoned them and there's no penalty. I've pardoned them. But here's what's going to happen. Everybody who is 20 years or older, you're going to die in the wilderness. You said you wanted to die in the wilderness, brought you out here to die. I'm going to give you what you want. The 10 spies who gave the bad report, they're going to end up with the plague and die the other, you know, all the other millions of people. You got 38 years in the wilderness. So the penalty of sin stays. That doesn't mean he's still mad, doesn't mean he hadn't forgiven. He's pardoned, but the penalty is going to stay. And sometimes I think, we think, oh, then we must be. Because God still took care of those children of Israel in the 38 years they were in 38 other years, because they were 40 years. I guess he counted time served, but we got 40 years they had to spend in the wilderness, that he still cared for him, provided for them day after day, time after time. So, yeah, I don't know that I would say his anger still stays once it's truly repented of. Nah. [00:47:50] Speaker C: Yeah. So that's the. I know that the penalty remains and the forgiveness is instant. The anger linger. Is the one that. Cause I can forgive somebody. [00:47:59] Speaker A: No, no, I would say no because I would think that would be less of perfect forgiveness. And I don't think that's God's style, anything less than perfect. [00:48:08] Speaker B: And I would say too, plus the penalty. He's there always with you, even during the penalty, even through the graces when you come out of the penalty. [00:48:18] Speaker A: Even in exile, he was still showing. When the children of Israel went into exile for 70 years in Babylon, he still was showing mercy and kindness. He still spoke to David. He still, you know, did things with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. [00:48:32] Speaker D: Daniel, Daniel. [00:48:33] Speaker A: Sorry, yeah. [00:48:35] Speaker D: But I do want to ask, I do reason why I picked up on Daniel, because I had a question. [00:48:40] Speaker A: But Daniel, sorry, sorry about that. [00:48:42] Speaker C: Other d. I'm always calling David Daniel. So. [00:48:47] Speaker D: And this is, this is a question. I'll get to my point after you answer this, but do you think, and it's obvious with Daniel when they went to Babylon that Daniel was so called. I guess. I mean, it's before Christianity. A Christian at the time. [00:49:04] Speaker A: Well, I mean, he was definitely a believer in Yahweh and a follower of Yahweh who basically served with his whole heart. [00:49:10] Speaker D: And I imagine the people that some of the people that died in the wilderness, that they were good people. [00:49:19] Speaker A: But. [00:49:19] Speaker D: They suffered because of the majority. [00:49:22] Speaker A: What about Caleb? And yes, Caleb had to go 45 years. And I imagine there were some days waking up when it's hot and you gotta go gather manna. And I'm sure he wants to look around and say, oh, he suffered because. [00:49:35] Speaker D: Of someone else's sin. [00:49:36] Speaker A: Yeah, you cost me. I should be in the promised land right now, you know, eating grapes that are on two sticks and sitting in the shade. But now I'm living in the wilderness because of entire nations. [00:49:47] Speaker D: And Daniel, he suffered because of someone else. [00:49:52] Speaker A: I mean, think about it. Where was Daniel at? Yeah, he was in Babylon. He was in exile. So, yeah, he suffered his whole life because he was in exile. [00:50:00] Speaker D: But then when you. But if you really get down to it, we all have sinned. [00:50:05] Speaker A: Sure. [00:50:06] Speaker D: And so. But my point on that was a lot of times it's just not we suffer, it's the people around us. [00:50:14] Speaker A: Indeed. [00:50:16] Speaker C: And we forget about that. [00:50:18] Speaker A: So therefore Daniel's in exile and he. [00:50:22] Speaker D: Had nothing to do with the idol worship. No, I know he wasn't the perfect person, but he had nothing to do with idol worship. [00:50:27] Speaker A: Well, it's funny because Daniel is one of those that never has a sin recorded against him in the scriptures. But we know he's a sinner because none righteous. No, not one. At the same time, he has to spend 70 years or close to 70 years in exile. I mean, pretty much his entire adulthood is in the land of Babylon, not his home. [00:50:48] Speaker D: But I want to say that sometimes it's not our sin that's just going to affect us. Sometimes we need to think about that. It Affects other people, too. [00:50:59] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:51:00] Speaker D: And sometimes. [00:51:01] Speaker A: A lot of times it's like a bomb. It's got shrapnel to it. [00:51:03] Speaker D: I mean, you know, you could be a child molester and get saved, but that person that was molested, they're gonna have a hard life. [00:51:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:13] Speaker D: I mean, that's statistics. [00:51:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:51:16] Speaker D: So I'm just saying our sin carries a lot of. What's it called? [00:51:23] Speaker A: Carries a heavy price. [00:51:24] Speaker D: Yeah, no, that, too, but. Baggage or. Yeah, baggage, but I was gonna. [00:51:30] Speaker C: Collateral. [00:51:30] Speaker D: Yeah, collateral. Yeah, carries a lot of collateral. [00:51:33] Speaker C: Bringing up thesaurus. [00:51:34] Speaker B: Two out of three ain't bad. [00:51:37] Speaker D: All three of y' all had one word, but it was nothing. He got the most correct. [00:51:43] Speaker C: Okay, congratulations. [00:51:46] Speaker D: Which is the most correct way of doing this. I think he. [00:51:50] Speaker B: Well, you'd be the one that calls us out on it, so. [00:51:53] Speaker A: Yeah, but I think you're exactly right, and I think it's something to be considered or to be concerned with and to think about that, what we might deem as not being so big of a sin, it's going to affect others. [00:52:08] Speaker D: But that don't relieve them of their responsibility. [00:52:10] Speaker A: No, no, no. Nor does it give them an excuse. [00:52:13] Speaker D: Yes, it doesn't give them an excuse because you can. Maybe that's why you act the way you are acting. But there's a lot of things that you've acted on your own. [00:52:22] Speaker A: That's right. So it doesn't give you the right and excuse to do it. [00:52:26] Speaker C: I'm constantly doing that with kids. Now, they're the older. Well, all three of them, they'll start arguing and yelling and fighting. And all of a sudden, one of them will just scream at the other one. And as soon as they scream, I scream. The next thing I do is I'm. Usually. I don't even say very much. I'll just yell hey. Really loud. And they all just stop. And then which one of them. Usually Reese, but one of them will say, well, he was. [00:52:51] Speaker A: Da, da, da, da. [00:52:52] Speaker C: And I don't care why. The why does not matter. You can't do that. Like, I don't need to hear excuses. I don't need to hear any of that stuff. It doesn't. Whatever they did doesn't. And then I'll turn and jump on the other one for whatever they did, too. [00:53:04] Speaker A: But it's equal opportunity. [00:53:07] Speaker C: I'm not going to miss anybody. We're going to get them all. But that happens all the time with the kids. They think that because. Yes, they know they weren't supposed to do what they did, but they think since it was paying somebody else back that it was justified. And we do the same thing all the time. I mean it's mine. Really bad lately has been the drivers on the road. I went through a stretch. Well, I saw one, there was a stretch there last day yesterday on that. Go ahead. I'm about to stop driving on 401. 401. Scaring the crap out of me. [00:53:37] Speaker A: Oh, it was horrible. [00:53:37] Speaker C: I saw a real bad wreck there two Tuesdays ago. I was about in a bad wreck a couple days after that. Somebody was going my way on 401. They had wow. And it was pouring rain and they. I think what they had done is they were trying to turn like a U turn type thing and they turned in the wrong way or something. And then once they did it, they were kind of stuck like the, the little cut throughs. It was going the opposite way and they've turned there and then they were trapped. So they just pulled into my lane and drove on down. [00:54:09] Speaker D: And I'm going towards you. [00:54:11] Speaker C: Yeah. Coming towards me in my lane and I'm riding along, had a burnout headlight to make things worse. So in the rain I see one headlight about a couple hundred yards in front of me coming my way and I'm like, that looks like a car in my lane. And that's not good. They never did swerve. I finally changed lanes 50ft before I got to them. That one got me. And then that same week I saw two people on motorcycles doing north of 80 miles an hour with their arms crossed, riding a motorcycle. All this within about a five day stretch. I judged a lot of that. [00:54:45] Speaker D: Well, that's dangerous for everybody. [00:54:46] Speaker C: Yeah. And I was one of the times I was in the car with the kids and this goes to your point. And I yelled at the person in front of me, I'm sorry. But I said to Gabe and Reese, I said, the thing about it is if they wreck, it's not just them. This is i4 they're going to take out 4, 5, 6 people with them if this move they're trying to make. So we talk about righteous indignation. Sometimes, sometimes it feels like it's okay to judge others when their sin is going to have collateral body and guilt. [00:55:17] Speaker D: Yeah, but I don't know if that's. That you wouldn't be right up in judging that. I mean I wouldn't call the cops because that's a danger to everybody. I mean I don't know if that's a. I wouldn't classify that as Being judgmental. [00:55:30] Speaker A: But, no, I think that's being responsible. I think you're somebody. And if it ain't me, then it might be my son or my daughter that's driving three cars in front that's trying to save lives. And I think there is a time that. Okay. [00:55:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:55:46] Speaker A: That's all I'm saying. That's judging as much as it is. That's being cautious and caring. [00:55:53] Speaker D: If you want to put judgment about driving, I got one for you. Every time I come to Fuqua, Texas, Georgia, I'm okay with them. I'm thinking, man. Yeah. Nowhere. That why they're here. They're trying to get out from where everybody else is moving down there, but I have a complete attitude when I see it in New York, Pennsylvania, California. Why are they. Why are they here? We don't like them. [00:56:22] Speaker C: This is the textbook definition of president. [00:56:25] Speaker D: That's judgment. That's being judgmental. I don't know those guys from any of them. The guys? [00:56:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:35] Speaker D: The people from California could be Christian people. [00:56:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:39] Speaker D: Texas could be atheist. [00:56:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:42] Speaker D: But I'm just saying I have a. I'm. And I don't want to say it's. It might be a bias. It's just because everywhere I've gone in North Carolina, everywhere I've lived has been overrun by outsiders. [00:56:56] Speaker B: No, that's just time of the days. [00:56:58] Speaker D: Do what? [00:56:59] Speaker B: That's just the way it is. [00:57:01] Speaker D: I know, I know, but it just aggravates me. [00:57:04] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:57:04] Speaker B: Maybe we should just. [00:57:06] Speaker D: We should just go. [00:57:07] Speaker B: We just need to have you just quit driving and we'll get you a pickup service. [00:57:11] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:57:11] Speaker A: Before I. Yeah. I'm trying to think where you can live in North Carolina. It ain't gonna be over there. [00:57:18] Speaker B: I mean. [00:57:19] Speaker A: Well, Hamlet. [00:57:20] Speaker C: Well, the rural areas, I think, are. [00:57:22] Speaker D: The drive through counties. [00:57:24] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [00:57:26] Speaker A: Places nobody wants to live. [00:57:27] Speaker C: Well. [00:57:28] Speaker D: Yeah, they're the same as always. But if you go anywhere near the coast, you. [00:57:32] Speaker A: You're gonna be. [00:57:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:57:33] Speaker B: Nowhere on the. The west, the east and central. Anywhere in between those. That's where you can stay. There's not much. [00:57:41] Speaker D: Anywhere around Hoggs Front because that's a nightmare over there. That's just crazy. [00:57:46] Speaker C: I saw a graphic or something on that. [00:57:48] Speaker D: That is some traffic. [00:57:49] Speaker C: Yeah, I saw a graphic. Something on Facebook floating around a while back of, like, if you're north of the Mason Dixon Line and thinking of moving to North Carolina, these are the best places to move. And it was basically directing them to the places that Virginia. I think it was like, directing them to where like Raleigh, Carey, Charlotte, where most of the people have moved so that the rural areas would still be populated by the. The nation. [00:58:15] Speaker B: That's. That's hurt too because a lot of you know these, these publishers are saying top 10 best places to live in North Carolina and other states, like five of them. They see that all across the country and they're like, okay, let's go here. And you know. [00:58:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:58:28] Speaker B: And Fuqua was like the top 50 and now they're in the top 10 now. [00:58:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:58:33] Speaker D: And those guys put out that I have no clue. [00:58:35] Speaker A: Yeah. I've never thought I'd live 10 town to live in. [00:58:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:58:40] Speaker A: You know, still not convinced. [00:58:41] Speaker C: I remember when I was like in my 20s, I was. But yeah, I was out in St. Louis and I said something about Carrie and the person that I was talking to from Portland had heard of Carrie and I'm like, seriously, you've heard of Carrie? That doesn't make any sense. But his name is Portland, Oregon or. I was just picking a city. I don't know. [00:58:59] Speaker D: I didn't know which one Portland you were talking about. [00:59:02] Speaker A: Yeah, Dallas. How's that? [00:59:06] Speaker D: There's only one Dallas. [00:59:10] Speaker C: Oh man. So. Been a little busy, Brandon. Sounds like you've been coming in on two wheels. [00:59:16] Speaker B: The Lord's blessed me very much so. [00:59:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:59:19] Speaker A: I can tell you that. [00:59:20] Speaker B: Yes. [00:59:21] Speaker C: That's a good problem though when you're self employed. Yeah. [00:59:24] Speaker B: Coming from, you know, just had a dream of mine to do something like this and then for the Lord. You know, just when you think you're getting a weaker you're like, okay, I can maybe slow down a little bit. Just keeps on coming and coming. [00:59:37] Speaker A: So. [00:59:38] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:59:38] Speaker B: But I wouldn't have any other way really. [00:59:41] Speaker A: Time to hire somebody, man. It'd be nice. It's just you gotta find somebody that's reliable. [00:59:48] Speaker B: Well that and then is that whole. I know me like I will pay. Y' all will get paid no matter what. That's just so. That kind of scares me just because the another family depending on me when I'm already making sure I'm depending on my own family to get. Make sure I take care of everything. But yeah, but yeah. You know, people ask me how's business and all that stuff. And I said, you know what? [01:00:10] Speaker A: It's. [01:00:10] Speaker B: It's going. I'm very blessed. But the Lord will always. I mean he has tenfold. [01:00:15] Speaker C: One of the things I have. [01:00:16] Speaker B: Even when I didn't believe that he. That even that I didn't think I could do it myself. But he showed it every time. I mean from day One. [01:00:24] Speaker C: Yeah. One of the things. I have a hard time. I just try to remind myself of this. A lot of times. I'm really bad to let. To get distracted by my blessings. Sometimes that can be an easy trap to get into. You have these things that you want, you get these things that you want. You get these things that work out the way you want them to, and the next thing you know, you're spending so much time on those things or doing these things or whatever that you're forgetting to remember the blesser. As I think you've said before. [01:00:52] Speaker A: That's right. [01:00:53] Speaker C: And I think that's a. That's a. I think it's a constant struggle for people. Maybe more. I think me and you might struggle with it more than Kenny. You know, Kenny gets to sit back and enjoy his. His jams and jellies business, and he's got people trimming all of his flowers and cutting his grass. [01:01:10] Speaker A: Is that because he's retired or is it because of. [01:01:12] Speaker D: No, I'm still. I'm still working. [01:01:14] Speaker B: Well, apparently he just has to deal with the traffic. Other than that, it's pretty good. [01:01:17] Speaker C: Yeah. If we can get him a driver, he's set. [01:01:19] Speaker A: I'm ready for a change in weather. Maybe tomorrow. [01:01:22] Speaker C: We went to the pool the other day, and even the pool was too hot. I mean, like, you get in the. [01:01:26] Speaker A: Water and it's like. [01:01:27] Speaker C: It's bath water. [01:01:27] Speaker A: It feels like it's. Yeah, yeah. [01:01:29] Speaker C: That's why you like swimming in the morning. It's still cool watering. [01:01:31] Speaker A: Well, I'm telling you, I think I just. I just got my. I feel better in the morning. [01:01:35] Speaker D: Morning. [01:01:35] Speaker C: Yeah. What? [01:01:37] Speaker A: When I swim in the morning. [01:01:39] Speaker D: I know. He's really sticking to that story, man. Hey, I mean, it's been how many weeks? [01:01:45] Speaker A: Yesterday afternoon I went swimming and I was off rhythm. I couldn't get it right. I was sitting there like, no, this afternoon, this don't feel right. This don't feel right. And then the kick didn't feel right. And I was only able to do like 4/10 of a mile. [01:02:00] Speaker C: It was more about your swimming than I do when I swim. [01:02:02] Speaker A: No, you. I'm telling you, if you're gonna do for distance and keep you know where you go, you. You've got to be. You got to do it by technique. [01:02:10] Speaker C: So are you timing yourself? Like, are you trying to go as far as you can in a certain amount of time or just trying to go into your. [01:02:16] Speaker A: What I'm trying to do is I'm trying to get to half a mile in 30 minutes. [01:02:20] Speaker C: Okay. [01:02:20] Speaker A: All right. [01:02:21] Speaker C: Because when you're saying all the time. [01:02:22] Speaker A: Then I'm starting to just go the last 10, then I'm going to go. I want to go get to where I'm doing a mile or close to a mile in under an hour, and then I'm going to really start shaving that off. And so all that involves. It's not necessarily just speed and speed and endurance, because I can swim fast. I promise you. I can swim that 25 meters quick. It's just that. All right, now you got to turn around and go another 25, and turn around and go another. And a lot of times, you get to the other end. So I'm using it more as high interval training now than I am endurance, But I'm getting there. [01:02:55] Speaker D: You would think he'd be in the Olympics. And Brandy asked him one day, how long have you been doing it? [01:03:02] Speaker A: Three days. [01:03:07] Speaker D: When he was talking, it was like. [01:03:08] Speaker B: Three years he's been studying for you. Just putting the practice for three days. If he pulled up his YouTube history, it'd be all a bunch of Olympics. [01:03:18] Speaker A: Yes, it is. [01:03:19] Speaker C: It is. [01:03:19] Speaker A: I'm watching. I don't know what to do with this hand. When this hand's coming through and you gotta cup it just right. You gotta catch it and push the water. It ain't your feet that make speed. [01:03:28] Speaker C: I remember saying that. [01:03:29] Speaker A: So I'm learning this stuff, man. I'm just. [01:03:33] Speaker B: Does the mass fog up? [01:03:34] Speaker A: No, it does not. That's one of the best masks. [01:03:37] Speaker B: Is it here? [01:03:39] Speaker A: No, it's okay. If you look at. I tried. [01:03:43] Speaker B: I couldn't see it. All it shows is. [01:03:45] Speaker C: You see. [01:03:45] Speaker A: I think there's another angle that's from the other side because I put the thing. [01:03:48] Speaker B: Because the people are walking by, or get on the stage with the pies and stuff. [01:03:52] Speaker A: Well, I was going, why is this. [01:03:54] Speaker C: This is Friday. [01:03:55] Speaker A: I put my snorkel mask on when they were gonna hit me with the pie. [01:03:58] Speaker C: Cause I was like, okay. [01:03:59] Speaker A: I had come up with. [01:04:00] Speaker D: That's probably the first time it's been used. [01:04:02] Speaker C: What? [01:04:05] Speaker B: No, it's. Trust me. [01:04:07] Speaker D: I did, but it's probably the first time it's been used. [01:04:10] Speaker C: Yeah. You can take the tags off of it. [01:04:11] Speaker A: And I've learned some things, too. I mean, this. You know, because I was losing count. I'd go to one end and go to the other, and. Oh, no, is that one? Is that three? You know, because you. It's the swim. [01:04:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:04:23] Speaker A: So I've learned all kinds of circulation. [01:04:25] Speaker B: Off where you can't think so. [01:04:26] Speaker A: I got a. I got a little counter. I bought a counter that when I get to the end, I just click it, go back, click it, then multiply by 50. A lady last night taught me that if you get a water bottle and every time you get there, just move it over one tile, then you can count the tiles. You can do that. So I just lose count, man. [01:04:46] Speaker D: So you multiply it. [01:04:48] Speaker B: He went and bought a ticker. [01:04:52] Speaker A: Well, for birthday, I'm hoping I'll get some, some little hand fins that teach you or. [01:04:57] Speaker B: Yes, with the ones with the webs. [01:04:58] Speaker A: Yes, that help you to know. [01:05:00] Speaker C: All right. [01:05:01] Speaker A: Are you doing this right? [01:05:02] Speaker C: You're more invested in this than I am my golf game. [01:05:05] Speaker A: I am in this. [01:05:06] Speaker B: I'll get together and give him a wetsuit when I'm thin through that water. [01:05:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I am in. I really, I want to get to where I can really swim and I want to start seeing it pay off on, on, you know, my body style. I'm looking forward to looking like Michael Phelps. Yes. Yeah, it's worse than having it. [01:05:24] Speaker B: And one of your goals should be to be able to do this without the snorkel. [01:05:27] Speaker A: I ain't getting there. I like that snorkel. Plus, I'm gonna tell you what, that pool, I ain't putting my face in that. [01:05:38] Speaker B: I'm just trying to think. When I swim, my face never goes into you turn like this. [01:05:43] Speaker A: Yeah, but you're supposed to be like this again, streamline. [01:05:47] Speaker B: Well, I'm not trying to be an Olympian. I'm just trying to get to the other side. [01:05:50] Speaker A: If I just get to the other side. You can do that. [01:05:56] Speaker C: Are you finally gonna get the numbers this week? [01:05:57] Speaker D: I am, I am. [01:05:58] Speaker A: In fact, I want to share something with you before we get there, Gabe. Sunday, I have spent so much time in numbers 14 that I think I got it about memorized. It's been, it's been a. It's been a journey, but go ahead. Gabe said. [01:06:11] Speaker C: Well, Gabe said Sunday, when he got to bulletin, you said, we're going to be real quick today. And he looked at the bulletin, he said, this is not going to be quick. How's he going to get to do this? [01:06:18] Speaker A: I already had somebody say that's, this is going to be a two parter, ain't it? And it may still end up being two parts. Who knows? But numbers 14, the Israelites are at Kadesh Barnea. And one of the worst tragedies in Israel's history as far as the nation and with God happens at Kadesh Barnea. They have sent spies out into the promised land, one from each tribe. So it's a representation of the entire nation. Two of them come back with a report saying, man, this land is good. God's given it to us. Let's go get it. That's Joshua and Caleb. Ten come back with a report saying what God says, true, it's good land, but the people there are too big, they're too strong. They make us look like grasshoppers. It wasn't a good report. Well, what's so sad is the entire congregation goes with the 10. So you have basically four men versus the entire nation. And there's one in particular. It's Joshua, Caleb, Aaron and Moses. Aaron and Moses. When they hear all the decisions that Israel makes hits their face. Joshua and Caleb began to reason with the people. And I just want to share with you. Numbers 14, and it's verse 24. The Lord spoke to Mary. Let me see now, is that the right verse? Yeah. 1424. I ain't got my glasses, Kenny. [01:07:38] Speaker C: Just start reading it. Kenny will correct you if you're wrong. [01:07:40] Speaker A: There you go. But as for my servant Caleb, because he has a. Now get this. A different spirit, and he has followed me fully, I will bring him into the land which he entered. I love that. That different spirit. Think about it. What is it that set him apart? Well, he was courageous. His character and maybe his circumstances. I mean, in his character, I mean, he stood. He stood. In spite of the entire nation being against him, he was still willing to say no. God said, let's go get it. Let's go get it. That takes a lot of courage. I think if you think about his character, because of, like you said, the people of Israel and their stupidity and their sin, he's now got to spend 45 more years walking through the hot desert. When he was ready to go then, and I think that's a different spirit. You never hear him gripe. You never hear him being mad at God. You never hear, no, he does it. And I think one of the things that sets a godly person or a Christian apart is, look, we're totally different. So when there's a famine, we share. When there's adversity, we sing. When there's difficulties, we praise. I mean, we are a different lot. We are to be strangers and aliens. We're to be kind of in this world. Look. Totally opposite. But last but not least, think about this, his circumstances. Caleb is 85 years old, and it is time to go into the promised land. So he is They've served out their penalty. All those folks 20 years old and older have died. So now Caleb's ready to take the land. And he comes up in Joshua chapter 24, and he basically says, I'm just strong as I was back then. Let's go get them. And he says, with the strength of the Lord, I'm about to whip some giants. I hope they got fortified cities. I'm going to take them, too. And I mean, this is a man who knows he's held onto the promises of God and knows I'm going to walk in them. And that takes courage, but it also takes a different spirit. When you go to Joshua 24, it says, Caleb, who followed the Lord with his whole heart. That's the whole point right there. And that's the other 167. The whole heart is not just, I'm dedicated this hour. No, it's wholehearted, seeking the Lord each and every week. So Caleb's one of my favorite characters in the Bible. I would love to be 85 years old and be able to read that and say, yeah, baby, I know how you feel. [01:10:10] Speaker D: I feel like that, too. [01:10:11] Speaker A: Then it's like, I may be like, Ooh, I'm 85. I can't even see the page. [01:10:18] Speaker C: On Bible study. Last night, Doug was. One of the questions that Doug had was, what are some definitions or some examples of outcasts in society, like groups that are typically kind of looked down upon or judged. You know, it's funny, when you think about outcasts, the way you were just describing what a Christian is called to be. We should be outcasts in society. From a society standpoint, we would be if you're doing it the right way, or whatever you want to call it. But if you're walking by the spirit, you are going to stand out and you're going to be in the dramatic minority in a lot of situations for the way you handle, especially even in this country. [01:10:53] Speaker A: I would have said a couple years ago, maybe not as much in america in the 50s now, man, you are the minority. [01:10:59] Speaker C: And the thing about that is that a few years ago hearing that, I would have believed that, but I would have thought that that was kind of a burden that Christians carry is having to be so much different than everybody else, having to face the adversity in such a way. But the more I try to do it, it's not a burden we carry. It's the part of the blessing is that we are able to do that. And that's where you find the peace in the crappy situations is because you aren't seeing it the way the rest of the world does or treating it. [01:11:31] Speaker A: The way and it is being real. [01:11:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:11:34] Speaker A: I mean it's not just a finicky nice. And it's not just a American Christianity. [01:11:39] Speaker C: Yep. [01:11:39] Speaker A: This is a true dying of self we're talking about. [01:11:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:11:42] Speaker A: That's what it takes. [01:11:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:11:43] Speaker A: All right. [01:11:44] Speaker C: Well, Brandon, man, Brandon, come back. Come back. [01:11:47] Speaker A: Yes. Anytime. If you got. Tuesday afternoon, you're welcome to join us. [01:11:52] Speaker C: All right. Yeah, he will. Yeah. [01:11:57] Speaker D: You can write off on your taxes. [01:11:58] Speaker C: I mean. [01:11:59] Speaker B: Okay, who do I write it out to? [01:12:03] Speaker D: I mean, you get. Well, you can. [01:12:05] Speaker C: It will go if I receive it. [01:12:07] Speaker B: I can't write. I can't deduct that. I have to give you something so I can deduct that. [01:12:11] Speaker D: Okay, well, he's gonna just give it all me. [01:12:13] Speaker C: He's gonna pay you and then you're gonna be able to write that off. [01:12:15] Speaker A: That's what I'm saying. [01:12:16] Speaker B: Yeah. You gotta write that off. [01:12:17] Speaker C: We sure he was an accountant? [01:12:19] Speaker B: Oh, he's not much of the. The daily numbers. He's more the big ass sets. That's where he knows where to put the biggest. [01:12:27] Speaker D: Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. But you don't have any. I don't know how. [01:12:34] Speaker B: No, I. Listen, I told you, I'm just trying to make a living. [01:12:37] Speaker D: You don't have anything. I didn't know how. How did you know that? [01:12:40] Speaker B: I don't know. I guess from Ben. [01:12:42] Speaker D: Oh, yeah, yeah. Olympic swimmer over here. [01:12:47] Speaker C: No, but thank you. [01:12:48] Speaker D: That's what be diving. [01:12:49] Speaker C: What a great. [01:12:56] Speaker B: You ever gonna make your homemade peanut butter? [01:12:58] Speaker D: Well, it's easy. You just need the right nuts. [01:13:05] Speaker C: That's a slogan. [01:13:08] Speaker D: You can say organic and raise it $2, $5. [01:13:11] Speaker A: You know. [01:13:11] Speaker D: That's what I said. [01:13:12] Speaker B: And what's that called? [01:13:13] Speaker D: What? [01:13:13] Speaker B: In the business world, what is that called? [01:13:16] Speaker D: It's called scheming. [01:13:19] Speaker B: I knew he would know the answer. [01:13:21] Speaker C: Price gouging. [01:13:23] Speaker D: Oh, you can tell one story. [01:13:26] Speaker C: I think. [01:13:29] Speaker D: It was hot. [01:13:31] Speaker C: Do you understand now why it takes the Friday or Saturday something. [01:13:37] Speaker B: Oh, I got. Well, they want you to say it like that. [01:13:44] Speaker C: We cagey. [01:13:44] Speaker A: Yeah, man. I bet you got zero turn. I bet you got zero turn and stuff like that, don't you? [01:13:50] Speaker B: Hey, talking about potato sticks on that. I know we gotta. But I came home. [01:13:55] Speaker C: No, you have no idea how long this part of the show actually lasts. It's usually about 30 minutes. [01:14:00] Speaker B: I'm gonna say when the. When the. The meat of. It's only one. [01:14:05] Speaker A: We do some editing we'll get in here and pick up. [01:14:06] Speaker D: We've been here 20 minutes. [01:14:08] Speaker A: If you're, like, in this heat, right, Right now, if you're outside in this heat, you can't just drink all straight water. You gotta mix in some electrolytes, because if not, you'll still get dehydrated. You can still get washed out. [01:14:18] Speaker B: See, we got the health guy, we got the fashion guy. Yeah, we got a primo as well covered. [01:14:22] Speaker C: Yeah, we can talk about Jesus, too, once in a while. [01:14:26] Speaker D: That does come out, that shine.